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	<title>Comments on: The Empire Strikes Back &#8211; MS games pirated Chinese PCs</title>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/china-stuff/china-politics-news/the-empire-strikes-back-ms-games-pirated-chinese-pcs/#comment-11557</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least there is some talk about this topic now. I think it´s a strange idea to try selling lots of pretty expensive products to mostly pretty poor people. In this way you have to consider that most of the folks find a way to get it without too much cost.

But if you talk about other issues like over priced farming seeds or meds this becomes kind of ugly.

Last comment from Microsoft I read: &quot;We lowered the price recently.&quot; Ha Ha

Interesting discussion and great site! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least there is some talk about this topic now. I think it´s a strange idea to try selling lots of pretty expensive products to mostly pretty poor people. In this way you have to consider that most of the folks find a way to get it without too much cost.</p>
<p>But if you talk about other issues like over priced farming seeds or meds this becomes kind of ugly.</p>
<p>Last comment from Microsoft I read: &#8220;We lowered the price recently.&#8221; Ha Ha</p>
<p>Interesting discussion and great site! <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sir Stingley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Stingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jay

As Ryan said, all I am saying is there is a difference, I&#039;m not trying to justify piracy, quite the opposite.  I just think the way the copyright holders have gone about trying to deal with the problem has been largely ineffective.


I found it amusing when an official Dell technician told me to turn windows update off because it caused problems and infected my friends computer with viruses.

He also installed a cracked version of Vista even though we had a license stuck on the bottom of the notebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jay</p>
<p>As Ryan said, all I am saying is there is a difference, I&#8217;m not trying to justify piracy, quite the opposite.  I just think the way the copyright holders have gone about trying to deal with the problem has been largely ineffective.</p>
<p>I found it amusing when an official Dell technician told me to turn windows update off because it caused problems and infected my friends computer with viruses.</p>
<p>He also installed a cracked version of Vista even though we had a license stuck on the bottom of the notebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i particularly enjoy the debate since every time i get on my office computer there&#039;s a popup telling me it&#039;s likely pirated and i should do something about it. and then the IT guy tells me it&#039;s my mac that&#039;s spreading the viruses around the network. riiight...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i particularly enjoy the debate since every time i get on my office computer there&#8217;s a popup telling me it&#8217;s likely pirated and i should do something about it. and then the IT guy tells me it&#8217;s my mac that&#8217;s spreading the viruses around the network. riiight&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jay: Open source developers? :-) I don&#039;t disagree with what you&#039;re saying, but I also see Stingley&#039;s point about there being a difference.

That there&#039;s a difference between stealing a thousand MP3s and stealing a car doesn&#039;t make stealing a thousand MP3s guilt free - it just means there&#039;s a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jay: Open source developers? <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t disagree with what you&#8217;re saying, but I also see Stingley&#8217;s point about there being a difference.</p>
<p>That there&#8217;s a difference between stealing a thousand MP3s and stealing a car doesn&#8217;t make stealing a thousand MP3s guilt free &#8211; it just means there&#8217;s a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Stingley,

This argument that ethics is based on tangible widgets is old-fashioned.  The key question is whether someone has labored to create something of value and someone else has robbed them of that value. Ask yourself what will happen if most people steal creative product - then who will bother to create anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Stingley,</p>
<p>This argument that ethics is based on tangible widgets is old-fashioned.  The key question is whether someone has labored to create something of value and someone else has robbed them of that value. Ask yourself what will happen if most people steal creative product &#8211; then who will bother to create anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Stingley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Stingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone steals an object from you they now have it and you don&#039;t.  You have lost it forever and can&#039;t use it.

When someone installs your piece of software without paying for it, you still have your piece of software and all of the rights to it.  A majority of people still pay for it.  It just means that person has gained something and in all probability you don&#039;t even know they have it.

I am not saying that I think copyright theft is by any means is OK.  But the way the copyright holders have gone about trying to get people to stop is totally wrong.  The argument that stealing a CD from a shop is the same as downloading it just doesn&#039;t work for most people, for the simple reason that the shop paid for that CD and can no longer sell it if it is taken from a shop.

Also in many media&#039;s (admittedly generally not software), it has taken them a huge amount of time to come up with any type of acceptable alternative to piracy for many of us.  Movie &amp; TV Show companies are still a long way away from this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone steals an object from you they now have it and you don&#8217;t.  You have lost it forever and can&#8217;t use it.</p>
<p>When someone installs your piece of software without paying for it, you still have your piece of software and all of the rights to it.  A majority of people still pay for it.  It just means that person has gained something and in all probability you don&#8217;t even know they have it.</p>
<p>I am not saying that I think copyright theft is by any means is OK.  But the way the copyright holders have gone about trying to get people to stop is totally wrong.  The argument that stealing a CD from a shop is the same as downloading it just doesn&#8217;t work for most people, for the simple reason that the shop paid for that CD and can no longer sell it if it is taken from a shop.</p>
<p>Also in many media&#8217;s (admittedly generally not software), it has taken them a huge amount of time to come up with any type of acceptable alternative to piracy for many of us.  Movie &amp; TV Show companies are still a long way away from this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sir Stingley: Out of curiosity, why isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sir Stingley: Out of curiosity, why isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Stingley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Stingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have started using open source stuff for most of my software needs.  There is no question that the quality level of many products is still not the same as paid for products.  However a lot of them are usable by people who are willing to spend a bit of effort to learn them.

I really can&#039;t wait until ubuntu gets that little bit more user friendly then I will start the migration.

Although I don&#039;t use pirated software anymore, I have absolutely no sympathy for companies who charge extortionate prices for their software.

The worst part is when they say that piracy is the same a physical theft which it very clearly isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have started using open source stuff for most of my software needs.  There is no question that the quality level of many products is still not the same as paid for products.  However a lot of them are usable by people who are willing to spend a bit of effort to learn them.</p>
<p>I really can&#8217;t wait until ubuntu gets that little bit more user friendly then I will start the migration.</p>
<p>Although I don&#8217;t use pirated software anymore, I have absolutely no sympathy for companies who charge extortionate prices for their software.</p>
<p>The worst part is when they say that piracy is the same a physical theft which it very clearly isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone needing an operating system, office productivity or graphics package should look into using open source software instead of complaining about the cost of the license to use something from Microsoft, Adobe, Autodesk etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone needing an operating system, office productivity or graphics package should look into using open source software instead of complaining about the cost of the license to use something from Microsoft, Adobe, Autodesk etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u can close the MS update ...then the 黑屏 cannot work LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u can close the MS update &#8230;then the 黑屏 cannot work LOL</p>
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