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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/china-expat-rants/burn-after-seeing/#comment-13550</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 09:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically agreed Chang, ironically agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically agreed Chang, ironically agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chang</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/china-expat-rants/burn-after-seeing/#comment-13549</link>
		<dc:creator>Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 09:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sometimes lazy-generalization is annoying.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/china-expat-rants/burn-after-seeing/#comment-13548</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 08:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I understand now. So when you said the entire &quot;western world&quot;, you really just meant certain western people who talk down about the way things are progressing in China. 
I think maybe you and Glen should get together and go bowling. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I understand now. So when you said the entire &#8220;western world&#8221;, you really just meant certain western people who talk down about the way things are progressing in China.<br />
I think maybe you and Glen should get together and go bowling. <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 07:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen, China definitely need to change in the direction you said :) 

The &quot;way&quot; I mean is like &quot;when&quot;, &quot;what first&quot;, and &quot;how fast&quot;, sort of stuff.

When A says B be ignorant, it is very likely B feels A the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen, China definitely need to change in the direction you said <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>The &#8220;way&#8221; I mean is like &#8220;when&#8221;, &#8220;what first&#8221;, and &#8220;how fast&#8221;, sort of stuff.</p>
<p>When A says B be ignorant, it is very likely B feels A the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 05:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chang What do you mean by the west changing China &quot;in their way&quot;?
I know you don&#039;t mean that when western people feel obliged to influence China by propagating principles of personal freedom ie. freedom of speech, freedom of information, etc. you see this as a driving force for Chinese people to embrace a fascist regime. So what exactly do you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chang What do you mean by the west changing China &#8220;in their way&#8221;?<br />
I know you don&#8217;t mean that when western people feel obliged to influence China by propagating principles of personal freedom ie. freedom of speech, freedom of information, etc. you see this as a driving force for Chinese people to embrace a fascist regime. So what exactly do you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the western world enjoy the *OBLIGATION* to change China in their way makes more Chinese people to support the Chinese government. 


By the way, It is not hard to bypass a firewall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the western world enjoy the *OBLIGATION* to change China in their way makes more Chinese people to support the Chinese government. </p>
<p>By the way, It is not hard to bypass a firewall.</p>
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		<title>By: Voigma</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/china-expat-rants/burn-after-seeing/#comment-13485</link>
		<dc:creator>Voigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... China is a crazy, mesmerising, wonderful place not that much different to the rest of the crazy world we all live in.  The events that unfolded in &#039;89 are worrying to think about but I am sure it was something that was done reluctantly and after much consideration from the CCP, taking into account the days leading up to the military &#039;crackdown&#039;.  No country I have ever come across (including this one) enjoys the slaughter of their own innocent citizens.  Most countries have had similar events in their history but with much less media coverage and away from the typical modern western attitude.  The ideals that the dialogue of the word &#039;ignorance&#039; raised makes me consider the word &#039;stubborn&#039;.  Governments have their agendas and people have their lives to live and never the twain shall meet.  Governments are self-serving beasts that service the needs of the populace but really, what is the real agenda of any government... world domination?

Change comes to us all in many shapes and forms.  Affective positive change is something that we can all work towards and assist with (even without getting into the streets).  Leading by example and being those crazy foreigners with their western ideas affects positive change.  Being proactive and assisting with environmentalism affects positive change.  Being internal tourists, talking with taxi drivers and shop assistants, chatting at bars.... all promote change.

That&#039;s not to say that either way is right or wrong.  Looking for the middle path for the middle kingdom is one avenue that seems to be slowly emerging more and more as my mind become more accustomed to life in China.  Yes, there are many things that people do which may be odd (for typical westerners) but who are we to judge.

The events in &#039;89 were dark though unfortunately not uncommon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; China is a crazy, mesmerising, wonderful place not that much different to the rest of the crazy world we all live in.  The events that unfolded in &#8217;89 are worrying to think about but I am sure it was something that was done reluctantly and after much consideration from the CCP, taking into account the days leading up to the military &#8216;crackdown&#8217;.  No country I have ever come across (including this one) enjoys the slaughter of their own innocent citizens.  Most countries have had similar events in their history but with much less media coverage and away from the typical modern western attitude.  The ideals that the dialogue of the word &#8216;ignorance&#8217; raised makes me consider the word &#8216;stubborn&#8217;.  Governments have their agendas and people have their lives to live and never the twain shall meet.  Governments are self-serving beasts that service the needs of the populace but really, what is the real agenda of any government&#8230; world domination?</p>
<p>Change comes to us all in many shapes and forms.  Affective positive change is something that we can all work towards and assist with (even without getting into the streets).  Leading by example and being those crazy foreigners with their western ideas affects positive change.  Being proactive and assisting with environmentalism affects positive change.  Being internal tourists, talking with taxi drivers and shop assistants, chatting at bars&#8230;. all promote change.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that either way is right or wrong.  Looking for the middle path for the middle kingdom is one avenue that seems to be slowly emerging more and more as my mind become more accustomed to life in China.  Yes, there are many things that people do which may be odd (for typical westerners) but who are we to judge.</p>
<p>The events in &#8217;89 were dark though unfortunately not uncommon.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 17:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I just realized all the errors that I made... sorry, complete exhausted and forgot to edit.  Please don&#039;t bother to correct my math.  And let me just say... I can believe the photo... I just mean I&#039;m shocked they saw that.  I&#039;m not an idiot I promise, I&#039;m just forget to edit and have been having insomnia for the first time in my life as I can&#039;t stop thinking about all the cool stuff I&#039;ve been experience and everything I should do instead of sleep (I&#039;m in China).

Stephen-I completely understand your rant.  It is something I often struggle with too even realizing my own ethnocentric ideas.

And to all commenters, I can understand the argument to not take be the one to act.  But I have an observation from today.  I live in a very small city, and am personally very interested in environmentalism (like my dream job would be somehow encouraging environmentalism in china, either through a company or good NGO.)  So I live in a very &quot;small&quot; city, and called a woman I had met on the bus who works a the local 4th tier (worst school possible) University.  I asked her if she could help me to see if there were any activities around the University (environment club or something), that maybe I could attend, or any clean up activities I would love to participate.  So she&#039;s out of town but she tells me she can have one of her students meet with me.  So I meet with the student, and she says she can help me organize this activity.  I try to explain no no, I don&#039;t want you to have to do more work because of me.  I ask if there is a club or anything and she says no, but there is clearly interest in this type of activity.  And on the bus, of course there was a woman and her son very interested in me.  This young girl the quick thinker, says that we will be organizing this event soon, and I will be there, so I can talk with her son then.

Think about how much influence you have on people, and how big of a difference your own choices and actions make.  I take the bus constantly, partly because I am cheap, but heck... I walk if I am feeling well, and I can.  You can at the very LEAST lead by example.  I&#039;m not editing this, so sorry about grammar errors, but I need to attempt bed, and I want to post today before you all think I&#039;m a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I just realized all the errors that I made&#8230; sorry, complete exhausted and forgot to edit.  Please don&#8217;t bother to correct my math.  And let me just say&#8230; I can believe the photo&#8230; I just mean I&#8217;m shocked they saw that.  I&#8217;m not an idiot I promise, I&#8217;m just forget to edit and have been having insomnia for the first time in my life as I can&#8217;t stop thinking about all the cool stuff I&#8217;ve been experience and everything I should do instead of sleep (I&#8217;m in China).</p>
<p>Stephen-I completely understand your rant.  It is something I often struggle with too even realizing my own ethnocentric ideas.</p>
<p>And to all commenters, I can understand the argument to not take be the one to act.  But I have an observation from today.  I live in a very small city, and am personally very interested in environmentalism (like my dream job would be somehow encouraging environmentalism in china, either through a company or good NGO.)  So I live in a very &#8220;small&#8221; city, and called a woman I had met on the bus who works a the local 4th tier (worst school possible) University.  I asked her if she could help me to see if there were any activities around the University (environment club or something), that maybe I could attend, or any clean up activities I would love to participate.  So she&#8217;s out of town but she tells me she can have one of her students meet with me.  So I meet with the student, and she says she can help me organize this activity.  I try to explain no no, I don&#8217;t want you to have to do more work because of me.  I ask if there is a club or anything and she says no, but there is clearly interest in this type of activity.  And on the bus, of course there was a woman and her son very interested in me.  This young girl the quick thinker, says that we will be organizing this event soon, and I will be there, so I can talk with her son then.</p>
<p>Think about how much influence you have on people, and how big of a difference your own choices and actions make.  I take the bus constantly, partly because I am cheap, but heck&#8230; I walk if I am feeling well, and I can.  You can at the very LEAST lead by example.  I&#8217;m not editing this, so sorry about grammar errors, but I need to attempt bed, and I want to post today before you all think I&#8217;m a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/china-expat-rants/burn-after-seeing/#comment-13470</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 08:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered why blogspot was down, and couldn&#039;t remember exactly when it was.  I thought youtube had to come back eventually.  I was here in 2004 so, 25 years, I assume that it&#039;s always rather hush hush around here, but I suspect that it is even worse on the &quot;significant&quot; numbered years.  Great artical, I can&#039;t believe the photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered why blogspot was down, and couldn&#8217;t remember exactly when it was.  I thought youtube had to come back eventually.  I was here in 2004 so, 25 years, I assume that it&#8217;s always rather hush hush around here, but I suspect that it is even worse on the &#8220;significant&#8221; numbered years.  Great artical, I can&#8217;t believe the photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 03:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Glen I understand what you mean, but what you mean and what you initially wrote are two different things.

@Ryan I don&#039;t even believe people have a responsibility or obligation to create change, but was simply stating that change is a side-effect of our presence and can not be avoided. So, if someone is going to sit in the complaints department and pretend that their actions and complaints aren&#039;t creating change by affecting the people who listen to or read them, then they are delusional.
I honestly don&#039;t expect people to get out in the streets and start a revolution, but wrote that vex inspired statement in an attempt to stimulate the idea that insultingly complaining without acting in an attempt to fix what you are complaining about is useless and annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Glen I understand what you mean, but what you mean and what you initially wrote are two different things.</p>
<p>@Ryan I don&#8217;t even believe people have a responsibility or obligation to create change, but was simply stating that change is a side-effect of our presence and can not be avoided. So, if someone is going to sit in the complaints department and pretend that their actions and complaints aren&#8217;t creating change by affecting the people who listen to or read them, then they are delusional.<br />
I honestly don&#8217;t expect people to get out in the streets and start a revolution, but wrote that vex inspired statement in an attempt to stimulate the idea that insultingly complaining without acting in an attempt to fix what you are complaining about is useless and annoying.</p>
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