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	<title>Comments on: Why Do We Have to Work on Sundays?</title>
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		<title>By: A Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/china-expat-rants/why-do-we-have-to-work-on-sundays/#comment-31971</link>
		<dc:creator>A Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 03:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just call in sick or pull a &quot;work from home&quot;. A lot of Expats do that, your manager back home will understand and the Chinese will anyway not challenge you for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just call in sick or pull a &#8220;work from home&#8221;. A lot of Expats do that, your manager back home will understand and the Chinese will anyway not challenge you for that.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnG</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/china-expat-rants/why-do-we-have-to-work-on-sundays/#comment-12188</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jay, but from what I see a lot of Chinese companies already offer annual leave and I remember reading last year that state-owned companies were told to implement annual leave programs based on years of service last year when the central government tried to cut the number of Golden Weeks to two in favour of three-day weekends. So I don&#039;t see why we are still working Sundays.

In terms of Chinese people taking vacations now I just see Chinese people taking longer vacations with their annual leave during the shortened holidays.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jay, but from what I see a lot of Chinese companies already offer annual leave and I remember reading last year that state-owned companies were told to implement annual leave programs based on years of service last year when the central government tried to cut the number of Golden Weeks to two in favour of three-day weekends. So I don&#8217;t see why we are still working Sundays.</p>
<p>In terms of Chinese people taking vacations now I just see Chinese people taking longer vacations with their annual leave during the shortened holidays.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Chinese currently living in the U.S.

There is an important reason (if not the most important one) why China try to move the weekend to form a long holiday break: most people do not have vacations time like westerner. Westerner take vacation when they want and can afford to do so. However, the only chance for most Chinese to take &quot;vacations&quot; is during holiday season.

More and more companies started to offer a few days annually. Both of my sisters work for foreign firms, one has 7 days and the other one has 12 days. When more companies have similar vacation systems like the ones in western world, you probably will see dramatic drop in holiday traffic around new year, 5/1, 10/1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Chinese currently living in the U.S.</p>
<p>There is an important reason (if not the most important one) why China try to move the weekend to form a long holiday break: most people do not have vacations time like westerner. Westerner take vacation when they want and can afford to do so. However, the only chance for most Chinese to take &#8220;vacations&#8221; is during holiday season.</p>
<p>More and more companies started to offer a few days annually. Both of my sisters work for foreign firms, one has 7 days and the other one has 12 days. When more companies have similar vacation systems like the ones in western world, you probably will see dramatic drop in holiday traffic around new year, 5/1, 10/1.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamieson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamieson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tutoring 7 days a week &amp; Mrs. Jamieson (Chinese) is doing 6 out of 7 a week in Shanghai, 80 km from here. I snapped and took Xmas day, then 26 Dec + New years&#039; Day off - today.

I need a long break. I fancy trout fishing and camping in Afghanistan but there&#039;s too many land mines of the border between it and China. Also a tourist visa might be too hard to get.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tutoring 7 days a week &amp; Mrs. Jamieson (Chinese) is doing 6 out of 7 a week in Shanghai, 80 km from here. I snapped and took Xmas day, then 26 Dec + New years&#8217; Day off &#8211; today.</p>
<p>I need a long break. I fancy trout fishing and camping in Afghanistan but there&#8217;s too many land mines of the border between it and China. Also a tourist visa might be too hard to get.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: ChinaFubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChinaFubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sundays Off??? Six day work week?  What expat fantasy is this.

Last job I worked INSISTED on 7 day work weeks, at least 12 hours a day for expats as well as locals. 

You were allowed one day off a month to do the HK visa run, but you&#039;d better make up the time. This was for a Chinese-owned factory, working for a Chinese General Manager.

One of our customers, a European company, worked, as far as I can tell, 24/7. They were put out and rather angry that we didn&#039;t work the factory 24/7. Very upset that we took National Day Oct 1st off.

Not sure it has anything to do with culture, the 6-7 day work weeks here in China, nor religion.  All to do with the $$$$ (or RMB)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sundays Off??? Six day work week?  What expat fantasy is this.</p>
<p>Last job I worked INSISTED on 7 day work weeks, at least 12 hours a day for expats as well as locals. </p>
<p>You were allowed one day off a month to do the HK visa run, but you&#8217;d better make up the time. This was for a Chinese-owned factory, working for a Chinese General Manager.</p>
<p>One of our customers, a European company, worked, as far as I can tell, 24/7. They were put out and rather angry that we didn&#8217;t work the factory 24/7. Very upset that we took National Day Oct 1st off.</p>
<p>Not sure it has anything to do with culture, the 6-7 day work weeks here in China, nor religion.  All to do with the $$$$ (or RMB)</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only in China do people try to &quot;makeup&quot; for holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only in China do people try to &#8220;makeup&#8221; for holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Etruscans / Romans = 8 day work week
Europe / Asia = 7 day work week
Henry Ford (1900s) = 5 day work week
Tim Ferriss (2000s) = 4 hour work week

I like where this is going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etruscans / Romans = 8 day work week<br />
Europe / Asia = 7 day work week<br />
Henry Ford (1900s) = 5 day work week<br />
Tim Ferriss (2000s) = 4 hour work week</p>
<p>I like where this is going.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently teaching at a training school where I teach 20 hours a week, 6 days a week. And my day off is always different - sometimes it&#039;s a Tuesday, or a Thursday, or a Sunday. It sucks. Which is why I&#039;m looking for a new school next year....Anyway for the national holidays I&#039;m already working Sat and Sun most weeks, so the switching around hasn&#039;t affected me too much this year. My school only gives the gov&#039;t mandated days off though, so for example I only had Oct 1-3 off while most people had 5-7 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently teaching at a training school where I teach 20 hours a week, 6 days a week. And my day off is always different &#8211; sometimes it&#8217;s a Tuesday, or a Thursday, or a Sunday. It sucks. Which is why I&#8217;m looking for a new school next year&#8230;.Anyway for the national holidays I&#8217;m already working Sat and Sun most weeks, so the switching around hasn&#8217;t affected me too much this year. My school only gives the gov&#8217;t mandated days off though, so for example I only had Oct 1-3 off while most people had 5-7 days.</p>
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		<title>By: 尼克</title>
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		<dc:creator>尼克</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, rereading this, I see that I forgot to add that in the modern West, it was really Henry Ford in the 1900&#039;s who reinstated the 5 day workweek (improving it to make it 5 8 hour shifts for a total of 40 hours worked each 7 days) with 2 days of rest on the weekend. His idea made the workers so happy and productive that other industries quickly followed his model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, rereading this, I see that I forgot to add that in the modern West, it was really Henry Ford in the 1900&#8242;s who reinstated the 5 day workweek (improving it to make it 5 8 hour shifts for a total of 40 hours worked each 7 days) with 2 days of rest on the weekend. His idea made the workers so happy and productive that other industries quickly followed his model.</p>
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		<title>By: 尼克</title>
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		<dc:creator>尼克</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I am just describing the Western notion of why the 5 day work week was brought in with the 7 day calendar.

The Roman Republic and Empire, like the Etruscans, used a &quot;market week&quot; of eight days (known as the nundinal cycle). From around the 1st century, with the spread of Christianity, the Roman eight-day week was replaced gradually by the seven-day week. Lithuanians used a week of nine days before adopting Christianity.

But here is some interesting information of note for the launch of the 7-day week in the East: The Chinese use of the seven day week (and thus Korean, Japanese, Tibetan, and Vietnamese use) traces back to the 600s CE. The 28 stars were arranged in order of sun, moon, fire, water, wood, gold, earth, and every 7 days were called &quot;qi-yao&quot;. The days were assigned to each of the luminaries, but the week did not affect social life or the official calendar. The law in the Han Dynasty required officials of the empire to rest every 5 days, called &quot;mu&quot;, while it was changed into 10 days in the Tang Dynasty, called &quot;huan&quot; or xún (旬). The 7 days &quot;week&quot; in ancient China is mostly kept in astrological purposes and cited in several Buddhist texts until the Jesuits reintroduced the concept in the 16th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I am just describing the Western notion of why the 5 day work week was brought in with the 7 day calendar.</p>
<p>The Roman Republic and Empire, like the Etruscans, used a &#8220;market week&#8221; of eight days (known as the nundinal cycle). From around the 1st century, with the spread of Christianity, the Roman eight-day week was replaced gradually by the seven-day week. Lithuanians used a week of nine days before adopting Christianity.</p>
<p>But here is some interesting information of note for the launch of the 7-day week in the East: The Chinese use of the seven day week (and thus Korean, Japanese, Tibetan, and Vietnamese use) traces back to the 600s CE. The 28 stars were arranged in order of sun, moon, fire, water, wood, gold, earth, and every 7 days were called &#8220;qi-yao&#8221;. The days were assigned to each of the luminaries, but the week did not affect social life or the official calendar. The law in the Han Dynasty required officials of the empire to rest every 5 days, called &#8220;mu&#8221;, while it was changed into 10 days in the Tang Dynasty, called &#8220;huan&#8221; or xún (旬). The 7 days &#8220;week&#8221; in ancient China is mostly kept in astrological purposes and cited in several Buddhist texts until the Jesuits reintroduced the concept in the 16th century.</p>
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