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		<title>By: Lilian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 03:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 was definitely right. I always know all the swear words in Chinese coz I don&#039;t like hearing it in my class. If I know they do, they&#039;ll be punish and will be asked to clean my classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 was definitely right. I always know all the swear words in Chinese coz I don&#8217;t like hearing it in my class. If I know they do, they&#8217;ll be punish and will be asked to clean my classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Weej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with most of the comments here, the blaming of everything on TEFL certificates is ridiculous. I&#039;d say 90% of the teachers in China come here without any teacher training at all. The worst are the older men with business experience who think that the fact that they have made a few presentations over the years qualifies them to be paid 200RMB+ per hour.
Teaching requires skill and effort, and most of the problems here can be put down to lack of effective training.
Firstly total immersion ESL (the &quot;Direct Approach&quot;) is an old philosophy - any up-to-date TEFL instructor will tell you that using the L1 occasionally is ok - but the main language of the class should be English. If you&#039;re speaking in complex English to students who do not understand it then that&#039;s self-evidently inappropriate. Grading your speech to the correct level without using incorrect grammar is a basic teaching skill and anyone who can&#039;t or won&#039;t do it is not doing their job properly.
Secondly, there are lots of bad jobs, bad schools and bad students out there. You could even say the whole system is screwed. It&#039;s your choice - either accept it and be another foreign leech on the Chinese education system, or make an effort to show that there is another way. If it makes the difference to just one student then it&#039;s been worth it.
There&#039;s a fascinating, hilarious article about the world of ESL in China here - http://chinaholisticenglish.org/articles/unqualified-teaching.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with most of the comments here, the blaming of everything on TEFL certificates is ridiculous. I&#8217;d say 90% of the teachers in China come here without any teacher training at all. The worst are the older men with business experience who think that the fact that they have made a few presentations over the years qualifies them to be paid 200RMB+ per hour.<br />
Teaching requires skill and effort, and most of the problems here can be put down to lack of effective training.<br />
Firstly total immersion ESL (the &#8220;Direct Approach&#8221;) is an old philosophy &#8211; any up-to-date TEFL instructor will tell you that using the L1 occasionally is ok &#8211; but the main language of the class should be English. If you&#8217;re speaking in complex English to students who do not understand it then that&#8217;s self-evidently inappropriate. Grading your speech to the correct level without using incorrect grammar is a basic teaching skill and anyone who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t do it is not doing their job properly.<br />
Secondly, there are lots of bad jobs, bad schools and bad students out there. You could even say the whole system is screwed. It&#8217;s your choice &#8211; either accept it and be another foreign leech on the Chinese education system, or make an effort to show that there is another way. If it makes the difference to just one student then it&#8217;s been worth it.<br />
There&#8217;s a fascinating, hilarious article about the world of ESL in China here &#8211; <a href="http://chinaholisticenglish.org/articles/unqualified-teaching.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://chinaholisticenglish.org/articles/unqualified-teaching.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Natsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite readily, I do not claim to have the experience that most other teachers in China do.  My experience with ESL teaching has been mostly of the &quot;teach a few hours a week to cover rent while in school&quot; variety.  Certainly has never been a full time job, although I did once intern (as a volunteer) at a Canadian elementary school as a teacher&#039;s assistant for a semester.

I do recognize a special commodity in the eyes of some employers of ESL instructors, however.  I&#039;ve studied in Chinese schools at both the high school and university level and despite the tragic condition of my Chinese, my &quot;classroom leadership&quot; vocabulary is not bad.

I have to agree with the point about knowing Chinese.  I have two personal perspectives on this as a language student myself.  In grade 9 French, I recall completely sucking at the language and could care less about my success in the course provided that I passed with a marginal grade and never had to retake the stupid course (in Ontario students are required to complete French up to grade 9, after which point it becomes optional).  When the French instructor (a frail, weakling of a woman) would &quot;immerse&quot; us in French as she explained something, my eyes would glaze over and I would ignore her until she went back to English.  The reality was that, I and perhaps many members of the class, had such poor levels of French speaking and comprehension that concentrating hard on her syllables wasn&#039;t going to change the fact that our French vocab was basically no existent.  She was just blabbing away, losing most of us in the process.

My French would have been much better served if she had quit with the French and taught me something that I was actually capable of learning.

On the other hand....

Years later while enrolled in the CSL student at Luhe Zhongxue in Tongzhou Beiyuan, Beijing, I and the other students studied in class about 35 hrs a week.  Our teachers spoke English/Korean to us for about two weeks and then they quit and went entirely with Chinese.  It worked.  My Chinese significantly benefited from this &quot;immersion&quot; experience...partly because the rest of my life as largely conducted in Chinese too.

I say all that to say that the amount of Chinese/English you speak in a class should be based on the abilities of the students and what their potential learning capabilities stack up at.

A couple other suggestions for those just starting off:

*There are a couple ways to buck culture that won&#039;t make you hated all too quickly.  Although most teachers in China can get away with wearing jeans and a t-shirt, because I tend to look young for my age (and I am young to start with), I would always wear a shirt and tie.  This both helped me look and feel professional and pushed me to be everything that I could be.  This isn&#039;t for everyone, but don&#039;t be afraid to go the extra mile and areas that benefit you professionally and will potentially increase learning.

*Buy and printer and your own paper.  Neither of these things are all too expensive in China and it will really give you a certain degree of flexibility when you don&#039;t need to depend on school facilities.  Also, find a small photocopy shop, where the proprietor appreciates your business enough to offer to share lunch with you if he is already eating when you arrive.  I found having this kind of relationship was invaluable when crisis struck.  

If your school/organziation limits your book selections, you can probably still get away with sneaking in some handouts of your own design.  When possible, I skip that handouts altogether and design all my own curriculum, tailored specifically to the needs of each class.  Keep in mind, however, that if I worked full time, this would be tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite readily, I do not claim to have the experience that most other teachers in China do.  My experience with ESL teaching has been mostly of the &#8220;teach a few hours a week to cover rent while in school&#8221; variety.  Certainly has never been a full time job, although I did once intern (as a volunteer) at a Canadian elementary school as a teacher&#8217;s assistant for a semester.</p>
<p>I do recognize a special commodity in the eyes of some employers of ESL instructors, however.  I&#8217;ve studied in Chinese schools at both the high school and university level and despite the tragic condition of my Chinese, my &#8220;classroom leadership&#8221; vocabulary is not bad.</p>
<p>I have to agree with the point about knowing Chinese.  I have two personal perspectives on this as a language student myself.  In grade 9 French, I recall completely sucking at the language and could care less about my success in the course provided that I passed with a marginal grade and never had to retake the stupid course (in Ontario students are required to complete French up to grade 9, after which point it becomes optional).  When the French instructor (a frail, weakling of a woman) would &#8220;immerse&#8221; us in French as she explained something, my eyes would glaze over and I would ignore her until she went back to English.  The reality was that, I and perhaps many members of the class, had such poor levels of French speaking and comprehension that concentrating hard on her syllables wasn&#8217;t going to change the fact that our French vocab was basically no existent.  She was just blabbing away, losing most of us in the process.</p>
<p>My French would have been much better served if she had quit with the French and taught me something that I was actually capable of learning.</p>
<p>On the other hand&#8230;.</p>
<p>Years later while enrolled in the CSL student at Luhe Zhongxue in Tongzhou Beiyuan, Beijing, I and the other students studied in class about 35 hrs a week.  Our teachers spoke English/Korean to us for about two weeks and then they quit and went entirely with Chinese.  It worked.  My Chinese significantly benefited from this &#8220;immersion&#8221; experience&#8230;partly because the rest of my life as largely conducted in Chinese too.</p>
<p>I say all that to say that the amount of Chinese/English you speak in a class should be based on the abilities of the students and what their potential learning capabilities stack up at.</p>
<p>A couple other suggestions for those just starting off:</p>
<p>*There are a couple ways to buck culture that won&#8217;t make you hated all too quickly.  Although most teachers in China can get away with wearing jeans and a t-shirt, because I tend to look young for my age (and I am young to start with), I would always wear a shirt and tie.  This both helped me look and feel professional and pushed me to be everything that I could be.  This isn&#8217;t for everyone, but don&#8217;t be afraid to go the extra mile and areas that benefit you professionally and will potentially increase learning.</p>
<p>*Buy and printer and your own paper.  Neither of these things are all too expensive in China and it will really give you a certain degree of flexibility when you don&#8217;t need to depend on school facilities.  Also, find a small photocopy shop, where the proprietor appreciates your business enough to offer to share lunch with you if he is already eating when you arrive.  I found having this kind of relationship was invaluable when crisis struck.  </p>
<p>If your school/organziation limits your book selections, you can probably still get away with sneaking in some handouts of your own design.  When possible, I skip that handouts altogether and design all my own curriculum, tailored specifically to the needs of each class.  Keep in mind, however, that if I worked full time, this would be tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say thanks for the good post and add my voice to the seeming chorus of your readers who laud your learn-chinese approach. One of the things that really turned me off from my CELTA course and instructors was the fact that none of them could speak any other language than english. When I found that I they lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I just didn&#039;t believe what they were telling me. I learned spanish fluently and am chugging along at Mandarin and I&#039;ve always found the &quot;NO L1!&quot; dicutm to be asinine and inefficient as hell. anyway thanks good luck 

jmcn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say thanks for the good post and add my voice to the seeming chorus of your readers who laud your learn-chinese approach. One of the things that really turned me off from my CELTA course and instructors was the fact that none of them could speak any other language than english. When I found that I they lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. I just didn&#8217;t believe what they were telling me. I learned spanish fluently and am chugging along at Mandarin and I&#8217;ve always found the &#8220;NO L1!&#8221; dicutm to be asinine and inefficient as hell. anyway thanks good luck </p>
<p>jmcn</p>
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		<title>By: Stevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great list. After four+ years as an ESL teacher in China I would agree with all the points. 

To compliment #1 and the frame of reference suggestion: Most ESL books suck. The vocabulary is mundane (and often ridiculous), the grammar, sentence structures and phonics an evil disjointed mish-mash. For students to get anything out of the lessons these teaching aids have to be put in a frame of reference applicable to the students. 

I used ESL books as a basis for my lessons and expanded upon the vocab and grammar in situations the students could get interested in. 

I would add #5: Know your students. Their school/family/business life, their likes and dislikes: Where they are and where they&#039;re headed. Teachers of Grade 1 kids or adults should learn as much as they can in the first few lessons. Success will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great list. After four+ years as an ESL teacher in China I would agree with all the points. </p>
<p>To compliment #1 and the frame of reference suggestion: Most ESL books suck. The vocabulary is mundane (and often ridiculous), the grammar, sentence structures and phonics an evil disjointed mish-mash. For students to get anything out of the lessons these teaching aids have to be put in a frame of reference applicable to the students. </p>
<p>I used ESL books as a basis for my lessons and expanded upon the vocab and grammar in situations the students could get interested in. </p>
<p>I would add #5: Know your students. Their school/family/business life, their likes and dislikes: Where they are and where they&#8217;re headed. Teachers of Grade 1 kids or adults should learn as much as they can in the first few lessons. Success will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Forman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Forman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion!  I have a few ideas to add, from my experiences in both university and corporate settings in China.  

I find that pictures and concrete questions trigger more interesting discussion than open questions.  &quot;Imagine that the guy in this picture is keeping a secret from the girl in that picture. What is it? Why? What will happen if she finds out?&quot; was far more effective than, &quot;Tell me how you really feel about this.&quot;  I think that Chinese students don&#039;t have very much experience with vague, personal questions, and therefore specific, impersonal questions make them feel much more comfortable and willing to share ideas.  

Also, for one-on-one training with adults, NPR and TED Talks are my favorite sources.  They combine reading and listening, and bring up all sorts of interesting conversation topics.  

I enjoy the variety of personal stories that I&#039;ve heard through teaching here in China.  I&#039;m glad I took the plunge and moved across the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion!  I have a few ideas to add, from my experiences in both university and corporate settings in China.  </p>
<p>I find that pictures and concrete questions trigger more interesting discussion than open questions.  &#8220;Imagine that the guy in this picture is keeping a secret from the girl in that picture. What is it? Why? What will happen if she finds out?&#8221; was far more effective than, &#8220;Tell me how you really feel about this.&#8221;  I think that Chinese students don&#8217;t have very much experience with vague, personal questions, and therefore specific, impersonal questions make them feel much more comfortable and willing to share ideas.  </p>
<p>Also, for one-on-one training with adults, NPR and TED Talks are my favorite sources.  They combine reading and listening, and bring up all sorts of interesting conversation topics.  </p>
<p>I enjoy the variety of personal stories that I&#8217;ve heard through teaching here in China.  I&#8217;m glad I took the plunge and moved across the world!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite having spent about half my time in China as an ESL teacher and having an opinion on near everything, I&#039;ve really got nothing to add to this list - great post Matt, and great comments everyone. Some solid advice all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite having spent about half my time in China as an ESL teacher and having an opinion on near everything, I&#8217;ve really got nothing to add to this list &#8211; great post Matt, and great comments everyone. Some solid advice all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Llewellyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Llewellyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand where you are coming from Stephen, but my students are not middle school students, they are mostly English majors. It took me a little while to figure out that universities here are almost nothing like uni&#039;s back home. In the UK students seem to know that they are paying vast amounts of money to have this education, so approach it with a little bit of desire to succeed. Here the bill is often paid for by parents, and the students have little appreciation of the cost beyond &#039;passing for the sake of passing, for the sake of their parents&#039; &#039;face&#039;.&#039; There is no thought of &#039;getting your money&#039;s worth&#039; at all. When I arrived I expected something similar to my own experiences of uni, but within a week or 2 it became evident that uni&#039;s here are more similar structurally and socially to high schools back home. The culture, the way the education system works, and the &#039;cosseting&#039; that goes on means that students are often &#039;socially younger&#039;(not intellectually) than the equivalent in the west. I think that is something that people coming to teach at university should try to understand. Having said that though, I am planning to be a bit stricter next year. The mobile phone thing is pretty much my only pet hate, and it has never really been that bad - more of a sort of running joke with me confiscating phones every now and then. But it does mildly disrupt the class, and I owe it to the 5% that are really there with a desire to keep the flow. I don&#039;t think I need to be mean or even tough, but a little bit stricter might help.... (I am a laid back kinda guy, so active strict is not my thing... I prefer to adopt an attitude of students wanting to &#039;be there&#039;... I need to go against everything they have been taught to believe and prove to them that an English degree has value beyond the basic &#039;get a job with an English degree kinda company&#039;.) To be honest, there are students with the talent to really do that, it&#039;s just that their teachers, their peers, and everyone else tries to put them down for studying English. I had 5 or 6 girls last year who could easily become English authors if they had the desire and drive to make it happen, I had 1 guy whose pronunciation was abysmal, but whose listening, emoting, and timing was fantastic - he could easily be a TV or film star if he worked on his pronunciation. We are really going against the grain when we say &quot;Yes! You CAN do something with English beyond a basic &#039;English degree job&#039;&quot;, and that I find is the hardest challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand where you are coming from Stephen, but my students are not middle school students, they are mostly English majors. It took me a little while to figure out that universities here are almost nothing like uni&#8217;s back home. In the UK students seem to know that they are paying vast amounts of money to have this education, so approach it with a little bit of desire to succeed. Here the bill is often paid for by parents, and the students have little appreciation of the cost beyond &#8216;passing for the sake of passing, for the sake of their parents&#8217; &#8216;face&#8217;.&#8217; There is no thought of &#8216;getting your money&#8217;s worth&#8217; at all. When I arrived I expected something similar to my own experiences of uni, but within a week or 2 it became evident that uni&#8217;s here are more similar structurally and socially to high schools back home. The culture, the way the education system works, and the &#8216;cosseting&#8217; that goes on means that students are often &#8216;socially younger&#8217;(not intellectually) than the equivalent in the west. I think that is something that people coming to teach at university should try to understand. Having said that though, I am planning to be a bit stricter next year. The mobile phone thing is pretty much my only pet hate, and it has never really been that bad &#8211; more of a sort of running joke with me confiscating phones every now and then. But it does mildly disrupt the class, and I owe it to the 5% that are really there with a desire to keep the flow. I don&#8217;t think I need to be mean or even tough, but a little bit stricter might help&#8230;. (I am a laid back kinda guy, so active strict is not my thing&#8230; I prefer to adopt an attitude of students wanting to &#8216;be there&#8217;&#8230; I need to go against everything they have been taught to believe and prove to them that an English degree has value beyond the basic &#8216;get a job with an English degree kinda company&#8217;.) To be honest, there are students with the talent to really do that, it&#8217;s just that their teachers, their peers, and everyone else tries to put them down for studying English. I had 5 or 6 girls last year who could easily become English authors if they had the desire and drive to make it happen, I had 1 guy whose pronunciation was abysmal, but whose listening, emoting, and timing was fantastic &#8211; he could easily be a TV or film star if he worked on his pronunciation. We are really going against the grain when we say &#8220;Yes! You CAN do something with English beyond a basic &#8216;English degree job&#8217;&#8221;, and that I find is the hardest challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably better done on a forum, but since this site is still working on it&#039;s forum:
I am looking for a new ESL job, I just want to say that this:

&quot;3. Airfare: Instructors&#039; international airfare will be reimbursed with the maximum amount of RMB8,000. Instructors already in China will get a reimbursement of up to RMB4,000 for their domestic trips. Free pick-up at the airport can be arranged upon arrival.&quot;

is bullsheet.

Thanks...looking forward to a good year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably better done on a forum, but since this site is still working on it&#8217;s forum:<br />
I am looking for a new ESL job, I just want to say that this:</p>
<p>&#8220;3. Airfare: Instructors&#8217; international airfare will be reimbursed with the maximum amount of RMB8,000. Instructors already in China will get a reimbursement of up to RMB4,000 for their domestic trips. Free pick-up at the airport can be arranged upon arrival.&#8221;</p>
<p>is bullsheet.</p>
<p>Thanks&#8230;looking forward to a good year.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really enjoying the comments here, theyre really insightful!

@Matthew Llewellyn I think if you stop feeling sorry for your students for being tired and overworked, and instead crack the whip a little you will see a far better result. The students take advantage of teachers in the classroom because they sense weakness in them and naturally exploit it. Don&#039;t you remember what you did to your substitute teachers when you were in middle school? Why were you more likely to obey your regular teacher than your sub? My teachers didnt let us get away with anything. One in fact got into a fist fight with a student. But that was just a tough school. Point is you gotta take control. 

Someone once told me that teaching is like being the captain of a ship. You have to give them direction otherwise they&#039;ll be lost at sea. Personally I&#039;ve never had cases where students were talking on the phone or smoking in class or any of these horror stories that I hear going around. The reason is I command respect from the outset. I&#039;m not a jerk to my students and we often have fun in the classroom; I just dont take any shit and I let them know it right away. (picture leonardo dicaprio as teacher in &quot;catch me if you can&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really enjoying the comments here, theyre really insightful!</p>
<p>@Matthew Llewellyn I think if you stop feeling sorry for your students for being tired and overworked, and instead crack the whip a little you will see a far better result. The students take advantage of teachers in the classroom because they sense weakness in them and naturally exploit it. Don&#8217;t you remember what you did to your substitute teachers when you were in middle school? Why were you more likely to obey your regular teacher than your sub? My teachers didnt let us get away with anything. One in fact got into a fist fight with a student. But that was just a tough school. Point is you gotta take control. </p>
<p>Someone once told me that teaching is like being the captain of a ship. You have to give them direction otherwise they&#8217;ll be lost at sea. Personally I&#8217;ve never had cases where students were talking on the phone or smoking in class or any of these horror stories that I hear going around. The reason is I command respect from the outset. I&#8217;m not a jerk to my students and we often have fun in the classroom; I just dont take any shit and I let them know it right away. (picture leonardo dicaprio as teacher in &#8220;catch me if you can&#8221;)</p>
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