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	<title>Comments on: Crazy bus fire in Chengdu</title>
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		<title>By: da gongji</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/warnings/crazy-bus-fire-in-chengdu/#comment-15768</link>
		<dc:creator>da gongji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that would explain the intensity of the fire.
most buses have a 20 litre pail of oil near the back seat.

also the cushions burn, smoking is not allowed but like all ignorant chinese, they smoke on the bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would explain the intensity of the fire.<br />
most buses have a 20 litre pail of oil near the back seat.</p>
<p>also the cushions burn, smoking is not allowed but like all ignorant chinese, they smoke on the bus.</p>
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		<title>By: da gongji</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/warnings/crazy-bus-fire-in-chengdu/#comment-15767</link>
		<dc:creator>da gongji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Race? you need to study a little dude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Race? you need to study a little dude</p>
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		<title>By: da gongji</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/warnings/crazy-bus-fire-in-chengdu/#comment-15766</link>
		<dc:creator>da gongji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when i see an injured person or accident in china and wish to stop to help my wife gets terrified. she fears that we will be implicated in the causation as i am white and will be a target for reparation. 

non interference of &quot;nature&#039; is entrenched in Buddhist thinking,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when i see an injured person or accident in china and wish to stop to help my wife gets terrified. she fears that we will be implicated in the causation as i am white and will be a target for reparation. </p>
<p>non interference of &#8220;nature&#8217; is entrenched in Buddhist thinking,</p>
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		<title>By: da gongji</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/warnings/crazy-bus-fire-in-chengdu/#comment-15765</link>
		<dc:creator>da gongji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you need to study daoism and confucism,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you need to study daoism and confucism,</p>
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		<title>By: ajin728</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajin728</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a criminal case.Reported by china govermant:A 60 old man who hate the world bring some oil on the bus and made a suicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a criminal case.Reported by china govermant:A 60 old man who hate the world bring some oil on the bus and made a suicide.</p>
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		<title>By: wooddoo</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/warnings/crazy-bus-fire-in-chengdu/#comment-13904</link>
		<dc:creator>wooddoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First time here... How did a discussion of a tragedy turn into a Nuremberg trial on the Chinese people and Confucian teachings? If you automatically blames the Chinese people as a whole whenever a tradegy occurs, you have some serious issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time here&#8230; How did a discussion of a tragedy turn into a Nuremberg trial on the Chinese people and Confucian teachings? If you automatically blames the Chinese people as a whole whenever a tradegy occurs, you have some serious issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Nedzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nedzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gawd! the China-is-a-developing-country argument. Ha, ha. I never imagined it would be used for this.

Stephen gibbered,&quot;psycho-social development&quot;. 

Is that not culture?

I am a moron. My wife mentions it daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawd! the China-is-a-developing-country argument. Ha, ha. I never imagined it would be used for this.</p>
<p>Stephen gibbered,&#8221;psycho-social development&#8221;. </p>
<p>Is that not culture?</p>
<p>I am a moron. My wife mentions it daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nedzer you&#039;re a moron. After all your belligerence you still failed to perceive my point. I am not disagreeing with the fact that there are people who stand around and watch at the scene of an accident or that people here can be discourteous. No, what I disagree with is in the cause of these behaviors.

@Joel &#039;Culture&#039; can be an ambiguous term but its meaning here was contextualized by nedzer as an adherent and integrated behavior within a specific society. The reason I say culture doesn&#039;t fit here is because if you took the current Chinese population and deposited them into a more just and fair and developed society they would after a generation or two become as responsible as the Canadian Good Samaritan in your example. 

The fact of the matter is, the Canadian comes from a more advanced society. 400 years ago that same Canadian Samaritan&#039;s ancestors wouldn&#039;t have been as altruistic as he. But does that mean that the Canadians of todays are prone to raping and pillaging aboriginal peoples? Certainly not.
Not every Canadian&#039;s ancestor participated in such atrocities and neither do all of todays Chinese participate in rubbernecking/inaction in the face of human suffering. We are not dealing with an integrated behavioral pattern, but a learned reaction to contemporary China&#039;s unique sociological conditions.
 
Lets take another example. Lets take the United States. When the US was 30 years into its development, Americans during that time certainly weren&#039;t as (ahem) considerate and civil as they are today. Does that mean that its part of every Americans intrinsic behavioral pattern to be racist? No.

How about Japan. The Japanese some 50 years ago were ruthlessly raping and murdering people from nearly every culture around them. Does that mean that Japanese today maintain the idea that raping and murdering civilians is an acceptable practice while at war? No.

What about Germany?

The list goes on and on until finally you realize this is a &quot;human&quot; issues pertaining to psycho-social development, and not specific to any one culture.

China is in the midst of development. If things are still rough around the edges, it should be understandable given what has transpired here over the past 50 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nedzer you&#8217;re a moron. After all your belligerence you still failed to perceive my point. I am not disagreeing with the fact that there are people who stand around and watch at the scene of an accident or that people here can be discourteous. No, what I disagree with is in the cause of these behaviors.</p>
<p>@Joel &#8216;Culture&#8217; can be an ambiguous term but its meaning here was contextualized by nedzer as an adherent and integrated behavior within a specific society. The reason I say culture doesn&#8217;t fit here is because if you took the current Chinese population and deposited them into a more just and fair and developed society they would after a generation or two become as responsible as the Canadian Good Samaritan in your example. </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, the Canadian comes from a more advanced society. 400 years ago that same Canadian Samaritan&#8217;s ancestors wouldn&#8217;t have been as altruistic as he. But does that mean that the Canadians of todays are prone to raping and pillaging aboriginal peoples? Certainly not.<br />
Not every Canadian&#8217;s ancestor participated in such atrocities and neither do all of todays Chinese participate in rubbernecking/inaction in the face of human suffering. We are not dealing with an integrated behavioral pattern, but a learned reaction to contemporary China&#8217;s unique sociological conditions.</p>
<p>Lets take another example. Lets take the United States. When the US was 30 years into its development, Americans during that time certainly weren&#8217;t as (ahem) considerate and civil as they are today. Does that mean that its part of every Americans intrinsic behavioral pattern to be racist? No.</p>
<p>How about Japan. The Japanese some 50 years ago were ruthlessly raping and murdering people from nearly every culture around them. Does that mean that Japanese today maintain the idea that raping and murdering civilians is an acceptable practice while at war? No.</p>
<p>What about Germany?</p>
<p>The list goes on and on until finally you realize this is a &#8220;human&#8221; issues pertaining to psycho-social development, and not specific to any one culture.</p>
<p>China is in the midst of development. If things are still rough around the edges, it should be understandable given what has transpired here over the past 50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Nedzer</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/expat-stuff/warnings/crazy-bus-fire-in-chengdu/#comment-13753</link>
		<dc:creator>Nedzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, that&#039;s changing. Someone held the elevator for me without me shouting at them to hold it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, that&#8217;s changing. Someone held the elevator for me without me shouting at them to hold it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nedzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nedzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Stephen - I&#039;m waiting for an answer from the i-was-in-an-accident-and-no-one-helped-rubbernecking-department-of-China.

It&#039;s a sister department to the i-died-in-an-accident-because-no-one-helped-rubbernecking-department-of-China but they don&#039;t get much statistics.

I&#039;ll mail them on to your address. Where is your bubble located?

Last thing, I&#039;d argue that the stupid influences of Confucius and Mencius are but a part of a system that has held this country back in every walk of life, for those principles restrict the true ability of a Chinese to develop him or herself freely and emotionaly. Look at the education system here. Did Confucius teach students to be independent and think independently, yet still observe the principles of filial piety? NOPE
Confcukdup himself did&#039;nt pursue lines of questioning, and so (the usual) teacher centered learning in China has resulted in students rarely answering questions. The Confcukian system is accredited with the principles of rote learning and an extreme avoidance of helping strangers from a simple politeness of holding a door open to helping a stranger in an accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Stephen &#8211; I&#8217;m waiting for an answer from the i-was-in-an-accident-and-no-one-helped-rubbernecking-department-of-China.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sister department to the i-died-in-an-accident-because-no-one-helped-rubbernecking-department-of-China but they don&#8217;t get much statistics.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll mail them on to your address. Where is your bubble located?</p>
<p>Last thing, I&#8217;d argue that the stupid influences of Confucius and Mencius are but a part of a system that has held this country back in every walk of life, for those principles restrict the true ability of a Chinese to develop him or herself freely and emotionaly. Look at the education system here. Did Confucius teach students to be independent and think independently, yet still observe the principles of filial piety? NOPE<br />
Confcukdup himself did&#8217;nt pursue lines of questioning, and so (the usual) teacher centered learning in China has resulted in students rarely answering questions. The Confcukian system is accredited with the principles of rote learning and an extreme avoidance of helping strangers from a simple politeness of holding a door open to helping a stranger in an accident.</p>
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