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		<title>By: Wali</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/air-china-pilot-cant-speak-english/#comment-21770</link>
		<dc:creator>Wali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Air China CA 991 24 hour delay from Beijing to Vancouver – Worst Customer service- Air China Guy in Vancouver hanged up on me</description>
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		<title>By: mankso</title>
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		<dc:creator>mankso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin:
Of course there are costs involved in  teaching all languages, but from your comment, it seems that you are unaware of which languages require less time and money, and of the reasons advanced mainly by speakers of Esperanto for choosing a regularized, NON-ethnic common second interlanguage rather than an ethnic one, linguistic justice being the main one. Think about the 7 points of the Prague Manifesto:
http://lingvo.org
and the reasons behind the present linguistic régimes in the UN and the EU for example. 

&gt;to get their tense right on each [French] word.
Only verbs have tense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin:<br />
Of course there are costs involved in  teaching all languages, but from your comment, it seems that you are unaware of which languages require less time and money, and of the reasons advanced mainly by speakers of Esperanto for choosing a regularized, NON-ethnic common second interlanguage rather than an ethnic one, linguistic justice being the main one. Think about the 7 points of the Prague Manifesto:<br />
<a href="http://lingvo.org" rel="nofollow">http://lingvo.org</a><br />
and the reasons behind the present linguistic régimes in the UN and the EU for example. </p>
<p>&gt;to get their tense right on each [French] word.<br />
Only verbs have tense!</p>
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		<title>By: ๋ีJustin Dupre</title>
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		<dc:creator>๋ีJustin Dupre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you are talking about the cost of making pilots learn English...

So there are no costs incurred teaching the pilots any other languages? 

We&#039;ve got to pick one language, and you know we&#039;d be spending a hell of a lot more if pilots required training in several languages or even a different one. 

Let&#039;s take a look at how difficult languages are, as well. Chinese, as well as several major languages are tonal. Rising, high, low and falling tones of basically the same sound can all create a different word. Training in this would be awefully hard for most anyone else in the world that isn&#039;t 100% based on tones (we still have it in English, but it isn&#039;t required to be understood, such as when we ask a question with a rising tone on the last word). Another note - over a headset, these tones can be difficult to pick up on, requiring extra listening training.

The written system of chinese (or mandarin, whatever you will pick there) is very difficult. No two characters are alike and by the time you graduate high school you should know how to write 10,000 different words. 

Besides English, I only know a few other languages that might be suitable for pilotng besides English. Spanish or Japanese may work, due to their simplicity and use of past/present/future tense structures.  I wouldn&#039;t know about any european languages though. Perhaps some one could fill me in. I know French probably wouldn&#039;t work, as I hear even French people walk around with dictionaries in their back pocket to get their tense right on each word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you are talking about the cost of making pilots learn English&#8230;</p>
<p>So there are no costs incurred teaching the pilots any other languages? </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got to pick one language, and you know we&#8217;d be spending a hell of a lot more if pilots required training in several languages or even a different one. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a look at how difficult languages are, as well. Chinese, as well as several major languages are tonal. Rising, high, low and falling tones of basically the same sound can all create a different word. Training in this would be awefully hard for most anyone else in the world that isn&#8217;t 100% based on tones (we still have it in English, but it isn&#8217;t required to be understood, such as when we ask a question with a rising tone on the last word). Another note &#8211; over a headset, these tones can be difficult to pick up on, requiring extra listening training.</p>
<p>The written system of chinese (or mandarin, whatever you will pick there) is very difficult. No two characters are alike and by the time you graduate high school you should know how to write 10,000 different words. </p>
<p>Besides English, I only know a few other languages that might be suitable for pilotng besides English. Spanish or Japanese may work, due to their simplicity and use of past/present/future tense structures.  I wouldn&#8217;t know about any european languages though. Perhaps some one could fill me in. I know French probably wouldn&#8217;t work, as I hear even French people walk around with dictionaries in their back pocket to get their tense right on each word.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always heard Mao Zedong was a poet.  Now I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always heard Mao Zedong was a poet.  Now I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Mao Zedong</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/air-china-pilot-cant-speak-english/#comment-14861</link>
		<dc:creator>Mao Zedong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>truth 
truth 
truth

we just want the truth. we know asians, east asians, in general, do Not high Verbal skills. 

high math skills.
low verbal skills

cannot speak English, known fact of the world. known fact to the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truth<br />
truth<br />
truth</p>
<p>we just want the truth. we know asians, east asians, in general, do Not high Verbal skills. </p>
<p>high math skills.<br />
low verbal skills</p>
<p>cannot speak English, known fact of the world. known fact to the world.</p>
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		<title>By: dandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are the most dangerous pilot i ever seen, the first day they step in rmit flight training they couldn&#039;t speak english, now one and a half year they still can not speak english even their management speak english like idiot pay us so cheap to train their pilots</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are the most dangerous pilot i ever seen, the first day they step in rmit flight training they couldn&#8217;t speak english, now one and a half year they still can not speak english even their management speak english like idiot pay us so cheap to train their pilots</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurent, you&#039;re tackling it like all English-speaking people got together and said, &quot;Hey... why don&#039;t we make this the world language.&quot; And that&#039;s simply not true.

Now of course there were Anglo-centric policies that swayed this, but it&#039;s for one very simple reason - English speaking countries (US/UK) are, and have been for 200 years, the dominant countries on the planet.

We tend to think of the world in quiet and peaceful terms when discussing &quot;rights&quot; and &quot;should bes&quot; - but that&#039;s simply not now things work, or at least didn&#039;t in the past (and I would argue still largely don&#039;t).

So what&#039;s &quot;fair&quot; and what&#039;s &quot;true&quot; are not the same. Good on the people looking to change this, and all the power to them - however, fair or not, the truth is that English is the most widely spoken language in the world and so when a single language needs to be chosen for consistency and safety (such as air traffic control), it only makes sense that the most spoken language be chosen.

As the great Gord Downie once said &quot;Anything that&#039;s systematic will get you hated...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurent, you&#8217;re tackling it like all English-speaking people got together and said, &#8220;Hey&#8230; why don&#8217;t we make this the world language.&#8221; And that&#8217;s simply not true.</p>
<p>Now of course there were Anglo-centric policies that swayed this, but it&#8217;s for one very simple reason &#8211; English speaking countries (US/UK) are, and have been for 200 years, the dominant countries on the planet.</p>
<p>We tend to think of the world in quiet and peaceful terms when discussing &#8220;rights&#8221; and &#8220;should bes&#8221; &#8211; but that&#8217;s simply not now things work, or at least didn&#8217;t in the past (and I would argue still largely don&#8217;t).</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s &#8220;fair&#8221; and what&#8217;s &#8220;true&#8221; are not the same. Good on the people looking to change this, and all the power to them &#8211; however, fair or not, the truth is that English is the most widely spoken language in the world and so when a single language needs to be chosen for consistency and safety (such as air traffic control), it only makes sense that the most spoken language be chosen.</p>
<p>As the great Gord Downie once said &#8220;Anything that&#8217;s systematic will get you hated&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laurent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, why all the planet must speak english ? Why not chinese ? Why not russian ? Why not polish ? Because english give a great advantage to USA, GB,... in politic, economy, turism, and so many, and so many ! And other people... agree to pay to learn it ! Other people pay much money and spend many time  to not easy speak ! They pay to rest in a inferior situation ! (excuse my bad english, I&#039;m not english !)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, why all the planet must speak english ? Why not chinese ? Why not russian ? Why not polish ? Because english give a great advantage to USA, GB,&#8230; in politic, economy, turism, and so many, and so many ! And other people&#8230; agree to pay to learn it ! Other people pay much money and spend many time  to not easy speak ! They pay to rest in a inferior situation ! (excuse my bad english, I&#8217;m not english !)</p>
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		<title>By: Antoine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antoine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
It&#039;s something like a miracle to see this plane arrived at JFK without any more problems. To my point of view (I&#039;m a french private IFR pilot)I&#039;ve perfectly understood all the ATC groud clearance and was terribly surprised to hear a professional pilot with a so bad read back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
It&#8217;s something like a miracle to see this plane arrived at JFK without any more problems. To my point of view (I&#8217;m a french private IFR pilot)I&#8217;ve perfectly understood all the ATC groud clearance and was terribly surprised to hear a professional pilot with a so bad read back.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/air-china-pilot-cant-speak-english/#comment-7262</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hotpot said: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The author’s intent was to mock at and ridicule someone else’s inability because his brother had an unsatisfactory time while traveling.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Even if my brother did not have a good time on Air China, this situation would still be worth mocking.

These people are not in the restaurant business, where bad english might result in a chicken sandwich instead of beef.

These people drive big airplanes full of people, where if you cannot speak english to Air Traffic controllers, the result might be a lot of dead people.

And as I said, that is disgraceful.

Don&#039;t you think that Chinese people deserve better than that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hotpot said: <i>&#8220;The author’s intent was to mock at and ridicule someone else’s inability because his brother had an unsatisfactory time while traveling.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Even if my brother did not have a good time on Air China, this situation would still be worth mocking.</p>
<p>These people are not in the restaurant business, where bad english might result in a chicken sandwich instead of beef.</p>
<p>These people drive big airplanes full of people, where if you cannot speak english to Air Traffic controllers, the result might be a lot of dead people.</p>
<p>And as I said, that is disgraceful.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that Chinese people deserve better than that?</p>
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