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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; China: Cops and bikers</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/born-to-ride-the-bus/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; China: Cops and bikers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guangzhou, China&#8217;s third largest city just a few hours north of Hong Kong, is the last major city to do away with motorbikes, effective January 1, 2007, in a move aimed at tackling pollution, traffic congestion and, more seriously, the high levels of street crime for which Guangzhou and a small number of its estimated 100,000 motorbike drivers are nationally known. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Guangzhou, China&#8217;s third largest city just a few hours north of Hong Kong, is the last major city to do away with motorbikes, effective January 1, 2007, in a move aimed at tackling pollution, traffic congestion and, more seriously, the high levels of street crime for which Guangzhou and a small number of its estimated 100,000 motorbike drivers are nationally known. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: feng37</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/born-to-ride-the-bus/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>feng37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Guangzhou has moved up enough that there are a lot less bicycles here than in other places, but not to the point that everyone has the money to take taxis everywhere or the time to take the bus that the Swede does. The subway is good, but it only extends to a fraction of the places that will be affected by the ban. 

That said, the ban, which has been phased in over the past two years, besides affecting the livelihoods of the hundreds of thousands of people who use motorbikes for personal use, won&#039;t do much to reduce crime or pollution overall. A lot of people will upgrade to cars or vans (how&#039;s that emissions index?), a lot of people will find it impossible to find new work, and the very very few who do use motorbikes to snatch purses will most likely just go to Dongguan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Guangzhou has moved up enough that there are a lot less bicycles here than in other places, but not to the point that everyone has the money to take taxis everywhere or the time to take the bus that the Swede does. The subway is good, but it only extends to a fraction of the places that will be affected by the ban. </p>
<p>That said, the ban, which has been phased in over the past two years, besides affecting the livelihoods of the hundreds of thousands of people who use motorbikes for personal use, won&#8217;t do much to reduce crime or pollution overall. A lot of people will upgrade to cars or vans (how&#8217;s that emissions index?), a lot of people will find it impossible to find new work, and the very very few who do use motorbikes to snatch purses will most likely just go to Dongguan.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/born-to-ride-the-bus/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;City officials blame exhaust-spewing motorcycles for increased pollution and other problems. Motorcycles were involved in about half the city&#039;s accidents last year, when crashes left 311 people dead, according to the public security office, and snatch-and-run gangs of thieves menace pedestrians. Through the first nine months of this year, police tallied 3,432 cases of robbers using motorcycles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sorry, I should have included that quote - as it cites how many accidents they&#039;re involved in. Now, if Guangzhou is anything like Suzhou, there are more bikes than cars on the roads - and if they&#039;re involved in 50% of the accidents, but there&#039;s more of them than cars, and it doesn&#039;t say if cars were also involved in those accidents... I don&#039;t know - kind of a washy figure.

Regardless, I do see your point, and I wasn&#039;t aware that the ban was public knowledge for the previous two years. However, how come the promotion of moderation is not a better solution? I think the point of the article, and the point of this post, was that these sweeping edicts are not very well thought out, as they don&#039;t make room for the complexity that &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>City officials blame exhaust-spewing motorcycles for increased pollution and other problems. Motorcycles were involved in about half the city&#8217;s accidents last year, when crashes left 311 people dead, according to the public security office, and snatch-and-run gangs of thieves menace pedestrians. Through the first nine months of this year, police tallied 3,432 cases of robbers using motorcycles.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I should have included that quote &#8211; as it cites how many accidents they&#8217;re involved in. Now, if Guangzhou is anything like Suzhou, there are more bikes than cars on the roads &#8211; and if they&#8217;re involved in 50% of the accidents, but there&#8217;s more of them than cars, and it doesn&#8217;t say if cars were also involved in those accidents&#8230; I don&#8217;t know &#8211; kind of a washy figure.</p>
<p>Regardless, I do see your point, and I wasn&#8217;t aware that the ban was public knowledge for the previous two years. However, how come the promotion of moderation is not a better solution? I think the point of the article, and the point of this post, was that these sweeping edicts are not very well thought out, as they don&#8217;t make room for the complexity that <i>is</i> society.</p>
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		<title>By: 瑞典人</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/born-to-ride-the-bus/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>瑞典人</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A ban might not be a flawless solution, but the madness has to end somehow. I don&#039;t know if you have been to GuangZhou, but I live here and all these motorcycles really is a pain in the ass. They are probably the cause for like 90% of all traffic accidents, and allot of pollution. 

It has been known that this ban would come for more than 2 years, so it&#039;s not like it is a surprise to all those people making a living out of it. 

I think that this ban, although it has some negative sides, still is a good solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A ban might not be a flawless solution, but the madness has to end somehow. I don&#8217;t know if you have been to GuangZhou, but I live here and all these motorcycles really is a pain in the ass. They are probably the cause for like 90% of all traffic accidents, and allot of pollution. </p>
<p>It has been known that this ban would come for more than 2 years, so it&#8217;s not like it is a surprise to all those people making a living out of it. </p>
<p>I think that this ban, although it has some negative sides, still is a good solution.</p>
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