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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/coffee-talk-rui-chenggang/#comment-19066</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Rui, it is noted, works for a state-run broadcaster. His campaign was widely reported--and supported--by official media outlets. I believe we should campaign in SF that Chinatown be removed. It is clearly walking on our American tradition and culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Rui, it is noted, works for a state-run broadcaster. His campaign was widely reported&#8211;and supported&#8211;by official media outlets. I believe we should campaign in SF that Chinatown be removed. It is clearly walking on our American tradition and culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Issues of Globalization, Fight between culture and capitalism : Starbucks exits the Forbidden City - Blog on Capitalism - Capitalism explained</title>
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		<dc:creator>Issues of Globalization, Fight between culture and capitalism : Starbucks exits the Forbidden City - Blog on Capitalism - Capitalism explained</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Issues of Globalization, Fight between culture and capitalism : Starbucks exits the Forbidden City - Globalization - Blog on Globalization</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/coffee-talk-rui-chenggang/#comment-10954</link>
		<dc:creator>Issues of Globalization, Fight between culture and capitalism : Starbucks exits the Forbidden City - Globalization - Blog on Globalization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/coffee-talk-rui-chenggang/#comment-6488</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tom, I disagree. Journalists, like anyone else, are more than welcome to be partial to their own views and opinions.

You&#039;re right that when reporting a journalist needs to be impartial and attack an issue from all sides with no presumptions, however, personally journalists can believe whatever they wish.

Rui&#039;s campaign, best I know, wasn&#039;t being broadcast in his BizChina slot, or any other bit that he&#039;s a member (work-wise) of. It was all off-time, so to speak.

I think that Rui&#039;s campaign is more tolerated than encouraged by the high-ups. The issue doesn&#039;t have much to do with politics, and so, they&#039;ll let it go until it becomes a bigger problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tom, I disagree. Journalists, like anyone else, are more than welcome to be partial to their own views and opinions.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that when reporting a journalist needs to be impartial and attack an issue from all sides with no presumptions, however, personally journalists can believe whatever they wish.</p>
<p>Rui&#8217;s campaign, best I know, wasn&#8217;t being broadcast in his BizChina slot, or any other bit that he&#8217;s a member (work-wise) of. It was all off-time, so to speak.</p>
<p>I think that Rui&#8217;s campaign is more tolerated than encouraged by the high-ups. The issue doesn&#8217;t have much to do with politics, and so, they&#8217;ll let it go until it becomes a bigger problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Smythe</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/coffee-talk-rui-chenggang/#comment-6484</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Smythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Rui Chenggang&#039;s campaign against the Starbucks outlet at the Forbidden City is totally unbecoming of a TV news anchor.  
 
The job of any journalist worth his salt is to maintain impartiality on news stories and not to take a stand--especially in such an impassioned manner.  Mr. Rui clearly let his emotions get the better of him, and he took a stand on an issue which he should have avoided as a journalist.  
 
I&#039;m not sure if he understands the nature of being a journalist, and where he acquired his journalism training--if you can call it as such.  But what also strikes me is that CCTV allowed him to editorialize.  This episode also bolsters international perception--especially in countries where journalism is by and large independent and committed to the truth--that the news media in China in general is far from free and credible.  Mr. Rui apparently had the tacit approval from higher-ups to start such a crusade, so that the Chinese government cannot be blamed for interfering in private enterprise.
 
Compared to many countries I know, China has a long way to go in attaining moral ascendancy and respectability.  

And Mr. Rui Chenggang, though he may hold important positions in China and elsewhere, is not a true and credible news anchor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rui Chenggang&#8217;s campaign against the Starbucks outlet at the Forbidden City is totally unbecoming of a TV news anchor.  </p>
<p>The job of any journalist worth his salt is to maintain impartiality on news stories and not to take a stand&#8211;especially in such an impassioned manner.  Mr. Rui clearly let his emotions get the better of him, and he took a stand on an issue which he should have avoided as a journalist.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if he understands the nature of being a journalist, and where he acquired his journalism training&#8211;if you can call it as such.  But what also strikes me is that CCTV allowed him to editorialize.  This episode also bolsters international perception&#8211;especially in countries where journalism is by and large independent and committed to the truth&#8211;that the news media in China in general is far from free and credible.  Mr. Rui apparently had the tacit approval from higher-ups to start such a crusade, so that the Chinese government cannot be blamed for interfering in private enterprise.</p>
<p>Compared to many countries I know, China has a long way to go in attaining moral ascendancy and respectability.  </p>
<p>And Mr. Rui Chenggang, though he may hold important positions in China and elsewhere, is not a true and credible news anchor.</p>
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		<title>By: Starbucks gets the &#8216;Buck out of the Forbidden City &#124; Lost Laowai China Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starbucks gets the &#8216;Buck out of the Forbidden City &#124; Lost Laowai China Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]       FEEDYOURNEED  what is this?       Gerald Oh: I&#8217;ve been to the Forbidden City, and several other wonderful sites such as the Great Wall, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gerald Oh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to the Forbidden City, and several other wonderful sites such as the Great Wall, and Summer Palace, when I was in Beijing in late 2006. 

I don&#039;t know that I&#039;m for or against the notion of a Starbucks inside a cultural icon such as the Forbidden City. What I will say is that I was appalled that the Chinese let their local merchants get away with far worse. The general atmosphere around the the entrance of most attractions is akin to a flea market or cheap town fair. Merchants shouting at you with bullhorns at the entrance to the one of the Badaling Great Wall site is a common occurrence, as are the merchants who litter the top of the Wall itself with their little shops selling everything from &#039;take a picture with my camel&#039; or &#039;take a picture with my horse&#039; (yes they have real animals), or &#039;let me inscribe your name on this grain of sand&#039;... 

The atmosphere inside the Forbidden City is at least better than the circus which occurs outside, but you still can&#039;t escape harrassment by any number of people trying to sell you crap masquerading as tourist trinkets. 

That said, these are wonderful cultural sites. If Mr Rui is using Starbucks as a way to start the conversation to boot the other hucksters, then go right ahead. But, let&#039;s not make Starbucks out to be a villain. On the other hand, I suppose it might be less than politically correct to criticize the bureaucrats who sell franchises to hawk stuff to anyone on the street :-) 

I didn&#039;t actually go to the Starbucks in the Forbidden City itself, but if it&#039;s anything like any Starbucks I&#039;ve seen in Beijing, then it&#039;s run with the usual levels of efficiency and cleanliness - plus no sales pressure :-) The story Mr Rui also ought to be telling is how the Chinese are trampling on their own cultural history - without help from anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to the Forbidden City, and several other wonderful sites such as the Great Wall, and Summer Palace, when I was in Beijing in late 2006. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;m for or against the notion of a Starbucks inside a cultural icon such as the Forbidden City. What I will say is that I was appalled that the Chinese let their local merchants get away with far worse. The general atmosphere around the the entrance of most attractions is akin to a flea market or cheap town fair. Merchants shouting at you with bullhorns at the entrance to the one of the Badaling Great Wall site is a common occurrence, as are the merchants who litter the top of the Wall itself with their little shops selling everything from &#8216;take a picture with my camel&#8217; or &#8216;take a picture with my horse&#8217; (yes they have real animals), or &#8216;let me inscribe your name on this grain of sand&#8217;&#8230; </p>
<p>The atmosphere inside the Forbidden City is at least better than the circus which occurs outside, but you still can&#8217;t escape harrassment by any number of people trying to sell you crap masquerading as tourist trinkets. </p>
<p>That said, these are wonderful cultural sites. If Mr Rui is using Starbucks as a way to start the conversation to boot the other hucksters, then go right ahead. But, let&#8217;s not make Starbucks out to be a villain. On the other hand, I suppose it might be less than politically correct to criticize the bureaucrats who sell franchises to hawk stuff to anyone on the street <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t actually go to the Starbucks in the Forbidden City itself, but if it&#8217;s anything like any Starbucks I&#8217;ve seen in Beijing, then it&#8217;s run with the usual levels of efficiency and cleanliness &#8211; plus no sales pressure <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  The story Mr Rui also ought to be telling is how the Chinese are trampling on their own cultural history &#8211; without help from anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rip-off art student gig is an integral part of Chinese culture. Without lying, stealing, ingorance, rudeness, loud talking, spitting, pay-offs, killing babies after birth, it just would not be China. Those things are absolutely a must and welcomed here-not a cup of coffee!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rip-off art student gig is an integral part of Chinese culture. Without lying, stealing, ingorance, rudeness, loud talking, spitting, pay-offs, killing babies after birth, it just would not be China. Those things are absolutely a must and welcomed here-not a cup of coffee!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.</description>
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		<title>By: Clifton Barnhart</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/coffee-talk-rui-chenggang/#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifton Barnhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American that has been living in Beijing for 5 years I fully support Rui Chenggang&#039;s drive to evict Starbucks from this most important of Chinese imperial sites.  However, there are other commercial operations inside the Forbidden City that are far more disrespectful to China&#039;s history.  Foreign tourists are consistently approached by young men and women claiming to be art students who have painting exhibition inside the palace.  The tourists are offered a free viewing and are then taken to a shop where knock off reproductions of classic Chinese paintings are passed off as the &quot;students&quot; work.  The price for these paintings can be up to ten times what they would normally cost in a market and the sales pressure is high.  Although the location of Starbucks is highly distasteful they do sale a fairly priced and honestly marketed product.  Rui Chenggang should expand his campaign to include the fake student exhibitions thereby making his campaign a true affirmation of Chinese heritage and not just a jingoistic attack on a foreign enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American that has been living in Beijing for 5 years I fully support Rui Chenggang&#8217;s drive to evict Starbucks from this most important of Chinese imperial sites.  However, there are other commercial operations inside the Forbidden City that are far more disrespectful to China&#8217;s history.  Foreign tourists are consistently approached by young men and women claiming to be art students who have painting exhibition inside the palace.  The tourists are offered a free viewing and are then taken to a shop where knock off reproductions of classic Chinese paintings are passed off as the &#8220;students&#8221; work.  The price for these paintings can be up to ten times what they would normally cost in a market and the sales pressure is high.  Although the location of Starbucks is highly distasteful they do sale a fairly priced and honestly marketed product.  Rui Chenggang should expand his campaign to include the fake student exhibitions thereby making his campaign a true affirmation of Chinese heritage and not just a jingoistic attack on a foreign enterprise.</p>
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