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		<title>By: Would the real Chris Devonshire-Ellis please stand up &#124; Lost Laowai China Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/communist-tax-lawyer-clever-socialist-spam/#comment-12394</link>
		<dc:creator>Would the real Chris Devonshire-Ellis please stand up &#124; Lost Laowai China Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know Chris personally, but have been around this scene long enough to know who he is and to have digitally brushed shoulders with him. I have met friends and foes of his, but truly have no opinion or experience with him as a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know Chris personally, but have been around this scene long enough to know who he is and to have digitally brushed shoulders with him. I have met friends and foes of his, but truly have no opinion or experience with him as a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/communist-tax-lawyer-clever-socialist-spam/#comment-9924</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt: Or Chris could have spent the $3/yr. and anonymized the who.is lookup info.

Ya can&#039;t spam people&#039;s inboxes with &quot;guess who&#039;s coming&quot; e-mails, and not expect some people to guess. :-)

Site does look interesting though. I see they&#039;re using phpBB - I&#039;m in the process of considering it as a replacement to Lost Laowai&#039;s current forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt: Or Chris could have spent the $3/yr. and anonymized the who.is lookup info.</p>
<p>Ya can&#8217;t spam people&#8217;s inboxes with &#8220;guess who&#8217;s coming&#8221; e-mails, and not expect some people to guess. <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Site does look interesting though. I see they&#8217;re using phpBB &#8211; I&#8217;m in the process of considering it as a replacement to Lost Laowai&#8217;s current forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/communist-tax-lawyer-clever-socialist-spam/#comment-9923</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the site is up now - and the t-shirts are fucking brilliant ! Just a shame some of the China bloggers had to go and spoil some of the build up fun. Chris stopped putting out those neat flyers once he got outed. Anyway, the site is at www.communisttaxlawyer.com and it looks as if he did a good job - if he can get a load of Russians on it it&#039;ll be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the site is up now &#8211; and the t-shirts are fucking brilliant ! Just a shame some of the China bloggers had to go and spoil some of the build up fun. Chris stopped putting out those neat flyers once he got outed. Anyway, the site is at <a href="http://www.communisttaxlawyer.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.communisttaxlawyer.com</a> and it looks as if he did a good job &#8211; if he can get a load of Russians on it it&#8217;ll be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: All Roads</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/communist-tax-lawyer-clever-socialist-spam/#comment-9197</link>
		<dc:creator>All Roads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ddt

I like Ryan did not look into who was behind it, and in hindsight I rally should have.  The honest truth was that it first came out, I thought it was from a different set of bloggers... and I emailed Chris to see if he had received the emails too.  I traded 2-3 emails with the CTL email address... and then forwarded some of the responses to Chris as they were really fantastic responses.

When Ryan did the research I was a bit shocked, and sent Chris a short email to express the gig was up.

@ Dan - I agree we should not have an ear biter in the ring, and all I can say is that I wrote what I wrote above because I didn&#039;t know it was Chris.  In my mind, you, me, and Chris were all going to be targets of this... and we were all looking at a cyber ass kicking.  Wasn&#039;t making trying to make it a personal statement.


R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ddt</p>
<p>I like Ryan did not look into who was behind it, and in hindsight I rally should have.  The honest truth was that it first came out, I thought it was from a different set of bloggers&#8230; and I emailed Chris to see if he had received the emails too.  I traded 2-3 emails with the CTL email address&#8230; and then forwarded some of the responses to Chris as they were really fantastic responses.</p>
<p>When Ryan did the research I was a bit shocked, and sent Chris a short email to express the gig was up.</p>
<p>@ Dan &#8211; I agree we should not have an ear biter in the ring, and all I can say is that I wrote what I wrote above because I didn&#8217;t know it was Chris.  In my mind, you, me, and Chris were all going to be targets of this&#8230; and we were all looking at a cyber ass kicking.  Wasn&#8217;t making trying to make it a personal statement.</p>
<p>R</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/communist-tax-lawyer-clever-socialist-spam/#comment-9165</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ddt: Yup, seems like the privacy protection feature on domain registration would have been a smart way to go. Certainly can&#039;t speak for Rich, but when I posted the original post I just didn&#039;t bother to do a who.is search for it - as the &quot;mystery&quot; wasn&#039;t all that big of a deal to me and not the point of the post.

As for spamming - sorry, did you get an e-mail from me? Last I checked I still own the rights to post whatever the hell I want here and until it gets in your inbox unrequested, I&#039;d rather not be accused of being involved in spamming.

In regards to any connection I have with Chris, DS , and Communist Tax Lawyer (or any tax law, or any law really) - other than the e-mail quoted in the post (which seems likely to have come from him) and an e-mail he sent after being &quot;outed&quot; to give me a better idea of what the site will be about, I&#039;ve never had any communication with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ddt: Yup, seems like the privacy protection feature on domain registration would have been a smart way to go. Certainly can&#8217;t speak for Rich, but when I posted the original post I just didn&#8217;t bother to do a who.is search for it &#8211; as the &#8220;mystery&#8221; wasn&#8217;t all that big of a deal to me and not the point of the post.</p>
<p>As for spamming &#8211; sorry, did you get an e-mail from me? Last I checked I still own the rights to post whatever the hell I want here and until it gets in your inbox unrequested, I&#8217;d rather not be accused of being involved in spamming.</p>
<p>In regards to any connection I have with Chris, DS , and Communist Tax Lawyer (or any tax law, or any law really) &#8211; other than the e-mail quoted in the post (which seems likely to have come from him) and an e-mail he sent after being &#8220;outed&#8221; to give me a better idea of what the site will be about, I&#8217;ve never had any communication with him.</p>
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		<title>By: ddt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems DS has come clean on this and it appears the site is going to be some sort of forum to discuss watering holes and investment laws and sell clothing.  The full story is here: http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2008/03/15/communist-tax-lawyer-website-on-the-way.html.

Why if DS wanted this kept quiet did it not spend the extra few quid required to make the domain name anonymous?  Are we really supposed to believe DS, Rich, and you did not know who was behind this all along.  I feel that we are all being taken for a ride here in the name of spamming advertising.  

I too got one of those emails and it took me ten seconds (like everyone else) to know the spam was coming from Dezan Shera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems DS has come clean on this and it appears the site is going to be some sort of forum to discuss watering holes and investment laws and sell clothing.  The full story is here: <a href="http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2008/03/15/communist-tax-lawyer-website-on-the-way.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2008/03/15/communist-tax-lawyer-website-on-the-way.html</a>.</p>
<p>Why if DS wanted this kept quiet did it not spend the extra few quid required to make the domain name anonymous?  Are we really supposed to believe DS, Rich, and you did not know who was behind this all along.  I feel that we are all being taken for a ride here in the name of spamming advertising.  </p>
<p>I too got one of those emails and it took me ten seconds (like everyone else) to know the spam was coming from Dezan Shera.</p>
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		<title>By: All Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Roads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ryan - I would agree that there are a lot of new blogs, and there is definitely a wide range of capabilities.  For me, I operate under the motto &quot;content is king&quot;.  Not saying that makes me better than anyone, but it provides a focus.

With regard to the approach Chris took, he really had me going.  I was emailing him on this, and he was playing back, and in hindsight it played well.  More than anything else, the writing style and the cards were much more entertaining than 95% of what I have seen and I give him (and the group) he is working with a lot of credit.

I know he would have preferred to keep it anon for a couple of more weeks, while he built up some speed... but if it goes as he has laid out on his site, I think this will prove to be a pretty interesting site for the global jet set looking for information on markets that are really poorly covered.  

Anyway, as with all blogs/ media, the proof will be in the pudding... and once out, the site will be open to the world for praise/ criticism.

Have a good weekend
R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ryan &#8211; I would agree that there are a lot of new blogs, and there is definitely a wide range of capabilities.  For me, I operate under the motto &#8220;content is king&#8221;.  Not saying that makes me better than anyone, but it provides a focus.</p>
<p>With regard to the approach Chris took, he really had me going.  I was emailing him on this, and he was playing back, and in hindsight it played well.  More than anything else, the writing style and the cards were much more entertaining than 95% of what I have seen and I give him (and the group) he is working with a lot of credit.</p>
<p>I know he would have preferred to keep it anon for a couple of more weeks, while he built up some speed&#8230; but if it goes as he has laid out on his site, I think this will prove to be a pretty interesting site for the global jet set looking for information on markets that are really poorly covered.  </p>
<p>Anyway, as with all blogs/ media, the proof will be in the pudding&#8230; and once out, the site will be open to the world for praise/ criticism.</p>
<p>Have a good weekend<br />
R</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/communist-tax-lawyer-clever-socialist-spam/#comment-9145</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@All Roads: I&#039;m not sure when it happened that China Business/Legal Advice blogs overtook noodle blogs as the bulk of the China blog population, but whenever it was a little piece of me died. There are some fantastic corporate/business blogs out there (yours included), but I think it would take something pretty amazing for me to be excited about a new one.

@China-Matt: I&#039;m guessing they don&#039;t do many dealings with any capitalist farm animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@All Roads: I&#8217;m not sure when it happened that China Business/Legal Advice blogs overtook noodle blogs as the bulk of the China blog population, but whenever it was a little piece of me died. There are some fantastic corporate/business blogs out there (yours included), but I think it would take something pretty amazing for me to be excited about a new one.</p>
<p>@China-Matt: I&#8217;m guessing they don&#8217;t do many dealings with any capitalist farm animals.</p>
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		<title>By: China-Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>China-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I higher them to be my tax lawyer when I get audited by the IRS? Or do they not like dealing with capitalist pigs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I higher them to be my tax lawyer when I get audited by the IRS? Or do they not like dealing with capitalist pigs?</p>
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		<title>By: All Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Roads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work on the investigation.  I must admit that I am dissapointed a bit.  The build up on this was decent and the card really were a nice touch.

Now that the cat is out of the bag though, I am guessing the project will die.  Its too bad.  I had sent 2-3 emails to the wizard (apparently Chris) to figure out who it was... and the emails were brilliant.

R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work on the investigation.  I must admit that I am dissapointed a bit.  The build up on this was decent and the card really were a nice touch.</p>
<p>Now that the cat is out of the bag though, I am guessing the project will die.  Its too bad.  I had sent 2-3 emails to the wizard (apparently Chris) to figure out who it was&#8230; and the emails were brilliant.</p>
<p>R</p>
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