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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/the-beating-of-a-chinese-bus-driver/#comment-11373</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This attitude that everything outside my circle of friends and relative &quot;I don&#039;t care and it doesn&#039;t matter to me, has probably to do,in my eyes,both with Chinese culture(guanxi) and recent history(Cultural revolution).

China was mostly of its time split in different small countries, ruled by some kind of warlords until the bravest one did not decide to unify all those small countries(via a bloody massacre)  to become again a Greater China.
Chiang Kai Sheck was almost more  concerned about his own country mens  than the japanese approaching the country. 
For chinese first it comes what matters me directly,my family,relatives and friends,the outside world can go to die...
This self centred attitude reached its zenith after the cultural revolution who add a deep sense of distrust among each other turning out in todays nobody trusteach other Dog-eat-dog society ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This attitude that everything outside my circle of friends and relative &#8220;I don&#8217;t care and it doesn&#8217;t matter to me, has probably to do,in my eyes,both with Chinese culture(guanxi) and recent history(Cultural revolution).</p>
<p>China was mostly of its time split in different small countries, ruled by some kind of warlords until the bravest one did not decide to unify all those small countries(via a bloody massacre)  to become again a Greater China.<br />
Chiang Kai Sheck was almost more  concerned about his own country mens  than the japanese approaching the country.<br />
For chinese first it comes what matters me directly,my family,relatives and friends,the outside world can go to die&#8230;<br />
This self centred attitude reached its zenith after the cultural revolution who add a deep sense of distrust among each other turning out in todays nobody trusteach other Dog-eat-dog society &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/the-beating-of-a-chinese-bus-driver/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, if you break the guy&#039;s face, run like hell. I&#039;ve never heard of police being lenient on foreigners. I doubt a bloody nose and some hurt feelings is going to land you in jail or get you deported, but it isn&#039;t going to make you friendly to the locals.

Basically, it comes down to a tricky balance of how does it benefit them. This in itself is an extremely complicated thing to understand as it doesn&#039;t neccessarily go by the rules of what we consider a &quot;benefit&quot;. Either way, the defending/fending off thing doesn&#039;t play into it - that requires a sense of justice or &quot;right&quot;, something that is very far away from any service the police provide...

Check out &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/2005/11/16/birds-of-a-feather-laowai-warning/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Birds of a Feather: A Laowai Warning&lt;/a&gt;&quot; at my other blog, it might give you some insight on what standing up for what&#039;s &quot;right&quot; brings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, if you break the guy&#8217;s face, run like hell. I&#8217;ve never heard of police being lenient on foreigners. I doubt a bloody nose and some hurt feelings is going to land you in jail or get you deported, but it isn&#8217;t going to make you friendly to the locals.</p>
<p>Basically, it comes down to a tricky balance of how does it benefit them. This in itself is an extremely complicated thing to understand as it doesn&#8217;t neccessarily go by the rules of what we consider a &#8220;benefit&#8221;. Either way, the defending/fending off thing doesn&#8217;t play into it &#8211; that requires a sense of justice or &#8220;right&#8221;, something that is very far away from any service the police provide&#8230;</p>
<p>Check out &#8220;<a href="http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/2005/11/16/birds-of-a-feather-laowai-warning/" rel="nofollow">Birds of a Feather: A Laowai Warning</a>&#8221; at my other blog, it might give you some insight on what standing up for what&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221; brings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/the-beating-of-a-chinese-bus-driver/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay... so here&#039;s a question... I&#039;ll be starting some long-term Mandarin study in Dalian come February 07... 

Let&#039;s say I want to help... And let&#039;s say I do intervene in a situation like that...And let&#039;s say I hypothetically break the guy&#039;s face... should I be expecting some jail time and/or deportation?

In general, what is the police attitude towards foreigners defending themselves/fending of attackers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230; so here&#8217;s a question&#8230; I&#8217;ll be starting some long-term Mandarin study in Dalian come February 07&#8230; </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I want to help&#8230; And let&#8217;s say I do intervene in a situation like that&#8230;And let&#8217;s say I hypothetically break the guy&#8217;s face&#8230; should I be expecting some jail time and/or deportation?</p>
<p>In general, what is the police attitude towards foreigners defending themselves/fending of attackers?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/general/the-beating-of-a-chinese-bus-driver/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it is much the same in the UK.  And at least these tossers have now been arrested and imprisoned.  In the UK they&#039;d get a fine and 20 hours community service :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it is much the same in the UK.  And at least these tossers have now been arrested and imprisoned.  In the UK they&#8217;d get a fine and 20 hours community service <img src='http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dezza: I think that&#039;s the reason many people in all countries don&#039;t get involved in such things. However, I think it goes a bit deeper than that. I think there&#039;s a sense of &quot;doing the right thing&quot; and &quot;fending for someone other than you and yours&quot; that has been beaten out of much of the population of this country for one reason or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dezza: I think that&#8217;s the reason many people in all countries don&#8217;t get involved in such things. However, I think it goes a bit deeper than that. I think there&#8217;s a sense of &#8220;doing the right thing&#8221; and &#8220;fending for someone other than you and yours&#8221; that has been beaten out of much of the population of this country for one reason or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Dezza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the brave woman in this episode is exactly the reason why Chinese don&#039;t intervene when they see arguments/fights happening in front of them...they&#039;re worried about getting attacked themselves...

Now if we can only find a reason for them not doing anything when they see a car accident on the road...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the brave woman in this episode is exactly the reason why Chinese don&#8217;t intervene when they see arguments/fights happening in front of them&#8230;they&#8217;re worried about getting attacked themselves&#8230;</p>
<p>Now if we can only find a reason for them not doing anything when they see a car accident on the road&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohmygod! That sucks.

I like the way the newsreader warned parents not to let their children watch it though.

Strange, someone had an argument with the bus driver here in Sheffield on my way to work this morning, because the guy was standing in the middle of the road and the bus nearly hit him. Fortunately, no elbows or rocks were thrown, but I&#039;m pretty sure that it would&#039;ve been stopped long before it got to that stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohmygod! That sucks.</p>
<p>I like the way the newsreader warned parents not to let their children watch it though.</p>
<p>Strange, someone had an argument with the bus driver here in Sheffield on my way to work this morning, because the guy was standing in the middle of the road and the bus nearly hit him. Fortunately, no elbows or rocks were thrown, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that it would&#8217;ve been stopped long before it got to that stage.</p>
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