Comments on: The Sex Is Back: Return of Chinabounder http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/ The no-nonsense China expat and traveller community. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:45:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Chinabounder returns, identity revealed? | Lost Laowai China Blog http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-10609 Chinabounder returns, identity revealed? | Lost Laowai China Blog Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:37:16 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-10609 [...] with his last return, he seems much more focused on sticking it to the Chinese government than he does sticking it to [...] [...] with his last return, he seems much more focused on sticking it to the Chinese government than he does sticking it to [...]

]]> By: Andy http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-8004 Andy Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:26:21 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-8004 This chinabounder is in the stickiest situation since sticky the stick insect got caught on a sticky bun ! This chinabounder is in the stickiest situation since sticky the stick insect got caught on a sticky bun !

]]> By: Shopgirl http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-953 Shopgirl Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:42:44 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-953 Who cares? I personally think my blog is more interesting than his. Shopgirl's Shanghai www.siyansblog.blogspot.com I have around 300 readers per day (soon it will surpass Chinabounder's) HAH! Who cares? I personally think my blog is more interesting than his.

Shopgirl’s Shanghai
http://www.siyansblog.blogspot.com

I have around 300 readers per day (soon it will surpass Chinabounder’s) HAH!

]]> By: Ryan http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-421 Ryan Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:18:09 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-421 God I hope not. My internet is slow enough without going through proxies. God I hope not. My internet is slow enough without going through proxies.

]]> By: Chris http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-364 Chris Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:35:41 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-364 So, now that Chinabounder's back, should we expect BlogSpot to return to the bad list in the near future? So, now that Chinabounder’s back, should we expect BlogSpot to return to the bad list in the near future?

]]> By: Sex, China, the Internet and Free Speech « The Weifang Radish http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-324 Sex, China, the Internet and Free Speech « The Weifang Radish Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:00:40 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-324 [...] of this is the long-term effect the internet may have on ideas about free speech. From Ryan’s blog: Reading through the comments you immediately get a sense of the array of feelings towards this [...] [...] of this is the long-term effect the internet may have on ideas about free speech. From Ryan’s blog: Reading through the comments you immediately get a sense of the array of feelings towards this [...]

]]> By: Jason S http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-295 Jason S Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:01:03 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-295 Oh lordy, the insanity continues! You gotta love it. I think a lot of the reason for the argument going nowhere has to do with the fact that people are arguing about different issues entirely. A lot of people are pissed about the content of the posts, and everyone else is arguing about censorship and free speech. I think these things are different. Not that they aren't connected, but the arguments are different. I never really liked the posts too much, (not because of my moral standing, I just thought the author kinda sounded like a douche bag), but that by no means effects my opinion on free speech and anti-censorship. Don't like it? Don't read it. You can't expect everyone to just bend to your personal preferences. Deal with it. Oh lordy, the insanity continues! You gotta love it.
I think a lot of the reason for the argument going nowhere has to do with the fact that people are arguing about different issues entirely.
A lot of people are pissed about the content of the posts, and everyone else is arguing about censorship and free speech. I think these things are different. Not that they aren’t connected, but the arguments are different.
I never really liked the posts too much, (not because of my moral standing, I just thought the author kinda sounded like a douche bag), but that by no means effects my opinion on free speech and anti-censorship. Don’t like it? Don’t read it. You can’t expect everyone to just bend to your personal preferences. Deal with it.

]]> By: Kevin S. http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-292 Kevin S. Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:52:16 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-292 Hey Ryan, I too was a little surprised at many of the comments on Chinabounder's new post that seemed to suggest that the commentator either didn't "get" the concept of free speech or just downright rejected it. I remember reading Roland Soong's <a href="http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060828_1.htm" rel="nofollow">translation</a> of Zhang Jiehai's xenophobic fury last summer and coming to Roland's comment: <blockquote>If you call Chinese women dumb cunts and Chinese men limp dicks, should you get away with it? Are you in any position to circumscribe their reactions?</blockquote> Assuming the first question is rhetorical and the answer is "no", it seems that Roland doesn't "get"/believe in free speech either. Well, fair enough. Roland is Chinese. Different culture, different history, different values. To be clear, when I say "free speech" I mean that you can say anything you want as long as it is not inciting violence against others, and do anything you want as long as it does not break the law and "get away with it," ie., not be the prey of an internet lynch mob or deported. Does having sex with consenting adults and writing about it online break Chinese law? If so, when will <a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-01/16/content_784616.htm" rel="nofollow">A Zhen</a> and <a href="http://www.danwei.tv/clips/muzi_mei_sex_blogger.php" rel="nofollow">Muzi Mei</a> be arrested? Furthermore, is mob "<a href="http://www.chinalawblog.com/chinalawblog/2006/09/dramshop.html#comment-21960370" rel="nofollow">justice</a>" allowed under Chinese law? However, living in an increasingly global world, where communications between people all over the world take place instantly over the internet, and people the world over have different ideas about the meaning and/or value of "free speech", it is obvious that the answer to Roland's second question should be thought out in advance of opening one's mouth. Jeremy Goldkorn has an interesting <a href="http://www.danwei.org/internet/lessons_from_the_pope_toiletga.php" rel="nofollow">opinion</a> on this, a sort of realpolitik philosophy: <blockquote>If you speak in a public forum or publish anything at all on the Internet, do not be surprised when people who are hostile to you find it and react. When it comes to information, the global village is a reality, and many of the neighbors are very intolerant.</blockquote> I guess it's time to stop being surprised. This comment cross-posted at <a href="http://kevinsmith.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/sex-china-the-internet-and-free-speech" rel="nofollow">The Weifang Radish</a>. Hey Ryan,

I too was a little surprised at many of the comments on Chinabounder’s new post that seemed to suggest that the commentator either didn’t “get” the concept of free speech or just downright rejected it.

I remember reading Roland Soong’s translation of Zhang Jiehai’s xenophobic fury last summer and coming to Roland’s comment:

If you call Chinese women dumb cunts and Chinese men limp dicks, should you get away with it? Are you in any position to circumscribe their reactions?

Assuming the first question is rhetorical and the answer is “no”, it seems that Roland doesn’t “get”/believe in free speech either. Well, fair enough. Roland is Chinese. Different culture, different history, different values. To be clear, when I say “free speech” I mean that you can say anything you want as long as it is not inciting violence against others, and do anything you want as long as it does not break the law and “get away with it,” ie., not be the prey of an internet lynch mob or deported. Does having sex with consenting adults and writing about it online break Chinese law? If so, when will A Zhen and Muzi Mei be arrested? Furthermore, is mob “justice” allowed under Chinese law?

However, living in an increasingly global world, where communications between people all over the world take place instantly over the internet, and people the world over have different ideas about the meaning and/or value of “free speech”, it is obvious that the answer to Roland’s second question should be thought out in advance of opening one’s mouth.

Jeremy Goldkorn has an interesting opinion on this, a sort of realpolitik philosophy:

If you speak in a public forum or publish anything at all on the Internet, do not be surprised when people who are hostile to you find it and react. When it comes to information, the global village is a reality, and many of the neighbors are very intolerant.

I guess it’s time to stop being surprised.

This comment cross-posted at The Weifang Radish.

]]> By: Rick http://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-290 Rick Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:15:42 +0000 http://www.lostlaowai.com/commentary/blog/2007/02/06/the-sex-is-back-return-of-chinabounder/#comment-290 I have to say, I didn't bother to read many of his other posts. But this new one, THIS is interesting. I'm betting the response on this one isn't quite as noticable on the Chinese net. The Chinese "Spaz-out threshold" is lower when it comes to reacting to foreigners, as compared to dealing with "problems in their own house," as they say. I have to say, I didn’t bother to read many of his other posts.

But this new one, THIS is interesting.
I’m betting the response on this one isn’t quite as noticable on the Chinese net.

The Chinese “Spaz-out threshold” is lower when it comes to reacting to foreigners, as compared to dealing with “problems in their own house,” as they say.

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